stopping child porn

[emilweir]

what measures does Limewire intend to take to prohibit the distribution of child pornography? I am aware of arguments against censoring p2p - eg. once you start, where do you draw the line. However, this is particularly nasty material which I suspect is easy to distribute via Limewire. A quick search for terms relating to child porn seems to yield quite a number of pictures and movies - is this not of concern to anyone at Limewire?

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

The means to empower users to do just that are being implemented right now.
Go to the beta forum and start participating in testing of the new junk/spam
filtering options.

[garbagefan2]

my filter doesnt even work. i saw adverstising and i blocked the words in the name and it still shows up in my results

[stief]

the filter is disabled for "What's New" and "Browse Host" results.

For others, it works well and follows the settings in the Options.

[LW_Element]

I think one way is to have filters that automaticly Detects and deletes pornagraphy and bannes the host who uploaded the porn

[getridofit]

I WAS HORRIFIED TODAY WHEN I WAS DOWNLOADING PORN FROM LIMEWIRE, I OPENED 1 OF THE FILES & IT WAS OBVIOUS CHILD PORN IM TALKING 10 YRS OLD!! WHAT DOES LIMEWIRE DO ABOUT THIS?? WELL NOT MUCH AS FAR AS I CAN SEE.

SO IM PROPOSING THAT WE START A THREAD WHERE WE (THE USERS) PLACE IP ADDRESSES FROM WHERE THESE DISGRACEFUL ACTS ARE FOUND SO THE POLICE & INTERNET WATCH FOUNDATION (WEBSITE WWW.IWF.ORG.UK) CAN LOOK AT TAKE RELEVANT ACTION!!!!!!!!!

I DID NOTICE THIS WHEN I SIGNED UP TO USING THE FORUMS WHICH SHOULD BE PART OF ALL THE LIMEWIRE POLICY.

By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, ***ually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws.



SO HERES THE FIRST IP ADDRESS.

xxxxxxx removed while we check if such details should or may be published.

[Kath]

As far as I'm concerned, this is not the place to publish that kind of information... you provided a link to where you need to be reporting it :)

[Only A Hobo]

I agree Kath, And I am put off by SHOUTED messages and people who blame Limewire for what is on the network. But the poster has a right to be heard.. not sure how many views or responses it will pick up here.

Just 2 points. Limewire cannot control what is on the network. Yes words and titles can be filtered, but much of this filth comes under innocent miss-titles.

We will certainly not allow alleged guilty ips to be published unless we consider it a good idea.. you may report these to the authorities as you wish.. but rememberthat one child porn film on an ip's share, does not mean that person is guilty of anything. It may be there accidentally ..as was indeed the one you found.

Edited for multiple spelling errors

[Lord of the Rings]

To my knowledge this beta forum is not for discussing gnutella network content. Similar issues have been discussed in the past at the Gnutella forums (http://www.gnutellaforums.com/). If you search Gnutella forums (http://www.gnutellaforums.com/search.php) you will find threads that discuss this topic. And as suggested by Kath, there's avenues for reporting such. ip's should not be posted in public regardless of whether the person accidentally or purposefully shares such material or other types of offensive material.

[bewitchedsoul]

I think one way is to have filters that automaticly Detects and deletes pornagraphy and bannes the host who uploaded the ******
I agree. Better yet, the police should be called in addition to banning them.
I can't believe others are suggesting merely blocking the porno...how does that solve the problem by pretending it isnt there????:mad:

[astroglow]

i to like the first person have unwittingly downloaded child porn from limewire the file name looked ok, what conserns me is that although i deleted the image straight away im still liable to be prosecuted by the police under uk law i agree this no fault of limewire but i wish there was someway to protect ourselves from this type of material, im concerned that limewire and individuals like the poster will pass on my ip address for something that was done very inoccently, any advice anyone

[sarathy]

I don't think the children should be blamed. We blame the guys who take such videos and those who see such videos ugh!

[cryisting]

OK Ok, This is stupid and has got to stop........ ^-^ :eek:

I downloaded this street fight thing and it turned out to be a porn what is with that...very: What it was was a very young teen taking her cloths off to a song :eek:

I think you need to start checking out what is put in to your downloading cache or what ever it is called because if you type in street fighters you get PORN maybe one or two actual street fights ...what is that:eek:

send me an E-mail ASAP about this because if this isn't dealt with im going to stop using lime wire and get everyone i know to stop using it ok seriously this is sickning :mad:

This is supposed to be a reputible site **** that it is

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

It's a peer-to-peer network, and this web site is not even connected to it.
What you saw was what some other member of the public was sharing.

Use Bitzi to check your large files before downloading them. Right-click your file
in the search results, go to Advanced and click on Bitzi.

[Only A Hobo]

Like Aaron says, Limewire has no control over what is on the network.. we can however contol what is written in these forums so I have removed the offensive parts of your post.

[cryisting]

Just have someone check out every thing that is on it then have someone call the po po's about that IP then have someone that has seen what is going on it then have them register there address and phone number not just there NICK NAME(s) How hard is that to do come on you are reputible site:confused: very:confused:

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

Millions of people use LimeWire but only about 25 thousand have ever come to
these forums. LimeWire is a program that anybody can download and use. It's
not a "service" or "club" that requires people to sign up or have a nickname.

Once again, we have no control over what people do in the privacy of their own
homes. It's just not possible, and will never be possible.

[Only A Hobo]

@cryisting

Perhaps you should read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer-to-peer which explains what p2p is.

If you want to do something constructive, you could google report child porn and you will find agencies where such things can be reported, ..... but ..... before you do.... think ..... You may have unwittingly downloaded something that you inadvertantly re-share .... some one downloads this from you and reports your ip as belonging to a child pornographer. Bearing that in mind, you can do something about this nasty and criminal activity, but do it with a clear mind and with the facts behind you.

[Remoc]

I just dont understand. I have had Limewire for over a year now and have never ever ever downloaded child porn before. How do you dn/ld child porn by accident? Everyone has the oppertunity to preview both aud/vid files before complete. There is a ton of info right here on these forums, if you will do a little research and take the initiative to READ and LEARN. There are alot of ways to search for files safely, if you will take a little time to find out how

[jhubbs]

I haven't had Limewire for very long,and last night i decided to download some music.While my selections were downloading i began browsing through the video section.I only have a phone modem,28.8 kbs,so my available selections are limited.I saw a few vids that used modem speed amoungst the hundreds and thousands listed.As my picks were based on strictly whether or not they used modem speed i paid little to no attention to titles or descriptions figuring to weed 'em out later.When i had finished the selecting i began sorting them out.As i read the titles i was appalled to have discovered child porn among these.I went through them quickly cancelling the ones that alarmed me.Thank God i cancelled them before they loaded.A person could easily fall victim to illicit downloads completely by accident.What a travesty to be imprisoned for an accidental download!Not only is child porn illegal,it's also immoral,making victims of our worlds only truly innocent souls,our children!Those that choose to exploit them use every coercion tactic imaginable,un-speakable horrors face those poor children without pause.****,abuse,abduction,addiction to drugs, and black-market slavery are just some of the ways they exploit them.Though we can never expect to stop the atrocities entirely,there are ways to help slow it down,(and even one iota means one less child victimized)!!!One way is to limit the availablity of outlets a pedophile can access.The internet opened a giant wound in society,a wound that is festering the horrendous cancer of child explotation.Limewire and their colleagues must find a way to filter the content being uploaded on their sites.The business of child porn is,after all a business.Limit the retail outlets available and even Wal-Mart would cease to expand!!!It's our civic duty and our moral responsibility to protect the children,even if we didn't bear them.

[jwh2323]

I am so mad at limewire right now for allowing this to happen i went to download a video and as lime wire found more things that were supposed to be along the lines of what i searched for it much have moved the video down without even knowing it i clicked on the wrong download and next thing you know when i look it is child porn i deleted it right away and browsed the host to get their ip but had no idea where or who to report it to...does anyone know where to report such sick people

[jhubbs]

What's even more disturbing than the fact that there is this crap online,is the fact that there is a market for it to start with.What must the percentage of the population be,that's pervs,to support such high numbers to be posted?One -in -a- hundred?fifty?twenty?ten?What does it say for our society, to have such filfth,in such high numbers,accessible?If you didn't have fast-food joints,you wouldn't have expanding waistlines. The answer must lie in technology advanced enough to re-direct the uploading process,avoiding detection from the source(via feedback),to law enforcement officers,providing them with a POSITIVE location of the source.Big brother tactics they, (police,etc.),use now, are only succeeding in further distancing our social interaction.We should know our neighbors,co-workers,family members,etc. well enough,not as spies,but as friends,that they'd(pervs)worry about detection from people being too close to them on a personal level,and think twice about doing those types of things.How many of us even know our neighbors names,let alone have them over for dinner regularly?Why do you think the adage,"hide in plain sight"exists?Because even though the population is growing,making people closer- geographically,our social skills are lacking that personal touch,forcing us apart.Your closest neighbor may as well be living on the moon.

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

LimeWire doesn't allow it because it cannot control it. That would be like asking
a phone manufacturer to automatically censor phone fraud when even the phone
company you use the phones on doesn't have the power or authority.

[hot.genius]

This topic always makes me uneasy. Anybody who has ever downloaded a clip from limewire or kazaa has either 1) seen the illegal looking descriptions tacked onto what turns out to be perfectly legal videos or 2)downloaded something that was labeled as legal only to find out it appears to be "illegal" material upon viewing or 3) just accidentally clicked on a suspicious file by mistake. In other words, you really have no idea what you are downloading until you view it. Furthermore, I can't even preview most of what I download, because my computer will give some type of error message and I have to wait for the whole thing to finish before seeing what I have. Like someone already pointed out, most of the time I'll just click on files that are being shared by multiple users or users with fast connection speeds... the titles aren't as important because I want to download files quickly and delete the crap later. This happened recently and I ended up with something that looked illegal. I deleted it (shredded it into an unrecoverable state, in fact) after watching a few nervous seconds.

I can't imagine that this would ever be considered a crime. It's like someone sneaking onto my porch and slipping a nasty image of a child into my newspaper without my knowledge and when I go to read the paper, I'm suddenly considered a criminal for seeing the image... even after throwing the picture away. I do make sure to remove ALL files from my shared folder as soon as the files finish downloading because I don't know for sure what they are until I watch them. The last thing I want is to be unwittingly sharing illegal stuff.

And, as someone else pointed out, an accidental download isn't helping any "market". Nobody is collecting money due to an accidental download.

[Remoc]

Hot ?? Maybe (hope your a female):D Genius ?? VERY Questionable. I would even go as far as saying NOT a chance in HELL. 1) Please tell us how you accidentlly dn/ld a porn file. I know you said you can't preview, so wouldn't you figure that out ASAP. 2) Quote " I want to dn/ld files as quickly as possible and then delete the BS later. Well with this method, You will dn/ld Porn, Child Porn, Worms, and a few healthy Viruses quickly. Either your very naive or real unfamiliar with what you are dealing with here. So with this dn/ld anything and everything quickly theroy, good luck deleting the Worms and Viruses Quickly. Good Luck!!!

[hot.genius]

Hehe... maybe I'm not a super genius, but at least a sorta genius. Anyhow, I scan everything with my virus software before I open a file and I scan my whole computer weekly at the very least or whenever I feel it may be necessary. I've never downloaded a virus or worm but I have downloaded stuff that was mislabeled and thus gotten stuff I wasn't anticipating.

You've never downloaded a mislabeled file before or accidentally clicked on the wrong file to download? If not, you are probably the first!

[Remoc]

Big high fives on doing the scans, but all i'm saying is be extremely carefull. I am only trying to help here because I see so many people that just do stuff Helter Skelter and then there here wanting advice.

I will also say and call me a lair, full of sh*t, crazy, or what ever comes to mind, but yes I can say I have NEVER downloaded anything that I wasn't expecting. I check file sizes, bit rates, use Bitzi and I don't just dn/ld at will. I also have several programes that I use everyday to prevent Adware, Spyware, and of coarse a very good AV & Firewall.

[lili]

hi, i just found out that there were at least 10 porn files (including child porn files) downloading in my downloads window. is it possible that these files were "attached" to "regular" files when i download them? i just don't understand how they got there... :confused: are other people using my computer from a distance to download things on my computer? do someone know anything about that? thanks!

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

You probably started the downloads under the names you saw in the search and
LimeWire switched to other filenames as it discovered them during the download.

Files with multiple different names are generally not worth the download because
they are almost always spam or worms.

[darbea]

If you don't know what you are downloading, you are being careless. There are quite a few posts throughout the forums regarding hoax files and such. I have posted what I learned in this thread : http://www.gnutellaforums.com/tips-tricks/67733-technutopia-fullsize-hostiles-list-bearshare-limewire.html#post278195

To add to my post, if you see a mov file that is about 2000KB or less, stay away from it. it's usually porn, with some 'gifts' attached.

To block a lot of child porn, use your filter option to block words such as "pthc", "hussyfan", "bibcam", "pedo", and "r@ygold" (an actual distributer). These are code terms for child porn, probably used to make searching easier.
For more comprehensive, yet plain english tutorials, see these links. You'll be an exoert within a few minutes.

MOST EXCELLENT:
http://www.gnutellaforums.com/open-discussion-topics/41432-warning-viruses-network-you-should-aware.html#post146913

http://www.gnutellaforums.com/download-upload-problems/17321-maximizing-upload-download-success-limewire.html#post60217

http://www.gnutellaforums.com/limewire-tips-tricks/60590-keywords-filter.html#post226349

Good luck

[Kangabut]

Ehh that's disgusting, does anyone remember Winmx?
It had so many child porn chatrooms it just wasn't funny. :(

[Norm29]

Was it a .mov file that is 1,040 kb? if so, you downloaded a file that has probably a million different names. Stay away from .mov files. the same thing happend to me.

[God]

To block a lot of child porn, use your filter option to block words such as "pthc", "hussyfan", "bibcam", "pedo", and "r@ygold" (an actual distributer). These are code terms for child porn, probably used to make searching easier.


If "r@ygold" is an actual distributer, then why doesn't he get tracked down via IP address and taken to jail or at least a mental health facility??

[darbea]

If "r@ygold" is an actual distributer, then why doesn't he get tracked down via IP address and taken to jail or at least a mental health facility??
<p>
Don't know... That name is probably just a handle... as for tracing, my guess id that he's proxied, annonomously, and untraceable. These files could also be comming from others who have dl'd his stuff, and now uploading - I don't know

[Underslunky]

If you don't know what you are downloading, you are being careless. There are quite a few posts throughout the forums regarding hoax files and such. I have posted what I learned in this thread : http://www.gnutellaforums.com/tips-tricks/67733-technutopia-fullsize-hostiles-list-bearshare-limewire.html#post278195

To add to my post, if you see a mov file that is about 2000KB or less, stay away from it. it's usually porn, with some 'gifts' attached.

To block a lot of child porn, use your filter option to block words such as "pthc", "hussyfan", "bibcam", "pedo", and "r@ygold" (an actual distributer). These are code terms for child porn, probably used to make searching easier.
For more comprehensive, yet plain english tutorials, see these links. You'll be an exoert within a few minutes.

MOST EXCELLENT:
http://www.gnutellaforums.com/open-discussion-topics/41432-warning-viruses-network-you-should-aware.html#post146913

http://www.gnutellaforums.com/download-upload-problems/17321-maximizing-upload-download-success-limewire.html#post60217

http://www.gnutellaforums.com/limewire-tips-tricks/60590-keywords-filter.html#post226349

Good luck

Yeah unfortunatley this dosent work if the item being downloaded dosent fall into an adult catagorie. If it is hidden by callling it by a mundane name then it is undetectable.

I downloaded a cartoon for my children and my wife checked it out and it was H/C porn! But it was in the childrens genre and named something mundane like kiddies cartoons.

One of the best features on limewire is the preview button. Just allow the file to download a few percent and then highlight it and press preview. It will show you the file up to however much has been downloaded. Then you can choose whether to carry on downloading or cancel. :)

[Underslunky]

I didnt know that

[drgsldr69]

unfortunatley prewiew is not realy a safe option either once you start downloading there is now evidance of what the download contains stored on your hard drive even if you delete it its still there deep down inside your system we cant find it but the authorities can and you to could be prosicuted for such a crime the law stated possesion is illegle so if your hard drive were to be tarnished but such a download you could end up in some strife be very carefull!!!!! use the bitzi site to check your downloads BEFORE you comence downloading i would hate to hear that a persion who accidently downloaded such material got arested instead of the actual persion sharing or distributing and even storing the crap wasn't.......


I'm sad to say there is NO way to protect yourself from accidently downloading them other then not downloading any videos pr pics. Or, in the case of programs and viruses, to not downlod them!

I found that out the HARD way. i quit downloading pics cause well they just downloaded to fast to make sure they was what i wanted and i DID end up in prison for pictures that was downloaded to my PARENTS computer.

I have found that trying to download any kind of movie or photo you never know exacdtly what you are going ot get. and reporting the ip addy's of people that IS spreading the child porn does absolutley nothing. I should know before i was BUSTED I reported 3 different sites AND over 500 ip address's all they did was bust me for having it on my computer!!!!!!!

cause everytime i ended up downloading something of a child porn nature or anything similar to it i reported the ip of the person i got it from! lets just say now i just fry that person's IP address to where they cant share ANYTHING.

there is also NO way to stop it since it IS peer to peer! considering there will always be a TON of people uploading and downloading them. and you can and never will weed out ALL the people hosting them. Believe me I wish you could. the only way i can think of being able to do that is to get a LARGE group of hackers together and have them actually go out seraching for the garbage and frying the WHOLE systems of ANYONE sharing them. but then again that would nail regular people with it on thier systems and not knowing it. I have already found a few virsues that create a folder you can't see in your windows explorer (but limewire does see it) even with it set to show hidden files and folders that folder is STILL invisible. and it is always FULL of movie files most of which ARE child porn and other things.

[drgsldr69]

i to like the first person have unwittingly downloaded child porn from limewire the file name looked ok, what conserns me is that although i deleted the image straight away im still liable to be prosecuted by the police under uk law i agree this no fault of limewire but i wish there was someway to protect ourselves from this type of material, im concerned that limewire and individuals like the poster will pass on my ip address for something that was done very inoccently, any advice anyone

www.evidenceeliminator.com or something like that it is a program that does a DOD(Department Of Defense) wipe on your computer that litterly erases ALL files deleted and over writes them to stop from being charged with something you never wanted to be charged with in the first place.

[Newbee2]

Which Viruses are those,that create a 'Secret' folder,that you can't see?
If the folder contains movies,would that not take up a lot of space?
How did you find the 'Folder'?
Please let us know,so we can check our machines.
N2:confused:

[drgsldr69]

i have no cluewhat hte virus is as none of my AV's have found anything. the folder is called nothing but _ im not joking

it is normally created within the shared folder so that other people can download the stuff. i mainly get mine outta zip files.but some quicktime and mov give it to ya also.only thing i use limewire for anymore is mainly "movies" and programs.

the way i found it was simple limewire actually shows the file where windows explorer doesnt! the reason windows explorer wont find it. Is because it is hidden the same way that microsoft hides folders on your PC have fun finding those. i didnt bother to share EVERY folder till i found them. but i did check the main areas of my system that way. by sharing them inside limewire. you would be amazed how many hidden folders and files are on a PC.

[Newbee2]

Well I'm very interested in your findings,have you tried''Packet sniffer '' or similar to check what is going out of your PC? or get 'process explorer' to investigate carefully what's what?
Does LWire show what is being uploaded? it should?especially if it is embedded in lwire as you say?
Anybody else have a comment:D :cool:

[Newbee2]

Seems to me that you have a serious ********* on your PC safest thing to do is to go back to a 'Ghost' if you have one? a trusted' system restore'point if you have one? if you have neither you will have to re-install your op. system, YOU should do this because it will only get worse!! you have to be able to trust what your system is doing!!
You can use a 'Packet Sniffer' to see EXACTLY what traffic is going in and OUT of your system,where it's going,who asked for it and so on,what speed etc..... if this secret folder exists? you can see what is going in and out with this type of software(Good for discovering dialers etc..) I hope that you have a GOOD spyware defense? (Something like spysweeper) and a good anti virus?
But you need to start again with a clean system urgently.
Must admit iv'e never heard of others organising your downloads unless your computer is being operated remotely,in which case you have been hijacked,most often done through browsers,although not unheard of through fake files.
GET CLEAN and start again is my best advice.
Newbee2

[Xcom46]

That's way you download something that will ge rid of the prgram or what ever eles you have downloaded or go out and buy it much safer than download some thing i dont download any thing any more.And the reason is i had to re-format my hard drive from the start it's a really big pain in the but when you have to do some thing like that.I am really good with downloading i can spot thing easy good ones and bad ones but this one just came out of no where.But yes this child porn has to stop.It's insane on how much is really out there people dont realize on how much there really is.I sure dont look at and dont whant to get chought doing that kinda thing.That is Y i try as much as i can to stay a way from the porn sites if the pop up than i just have to use my cleaner to get red of it.

I hope the FBI or Cops Get these basterds that are doing this:mad:



Chris B......


Got Milk.....
If you do than your a human and must be killed

[tash_g]

System Restores do not delete files, or clear the data, they restore your system settings. Restore Points would take up far too much memory if they backed up every single thing (or lack of thing) that you have.

It'd be much simpler if the cops just didn't make data illegal. Other than top secret military plans (which I can recognize the need of not sharing, although good luck policing that on Limewire) this is the only case of data/media being illegal that I know of. Filming/creating the media should be illegal because it easily enough makes you at least an accomplice to what is occuring in the video (which is at least statutory ****, possibly worse), but downloading the video shouldn't be illegal because of all these methods, and in general how ridiculous it is since downloaders aren't actually doing anything.

Instead, they should have a law forcing downloaders to co-operate with police so that they can assist in tracking the file download back to its original source. LimeWire could create a log of every file shared between users so that this would be much simpler. You could just track it, through the log, to the original uploader, and the original uploader is likely to be the creator. Even if they aren't, the cops are that much closer to finding the original perpetrator and identifying the kid in it being exposed, because you could ask that uploader where they got it.

Tyciol, Now this is a brilliant idea, and really good point, are you listining limewire creators?? This is a simple and productive idea, that would and could work. Its ovious to me that lime wire does not care the slightest, i can only guess its because they are not inforcing the law within their program, by not stopping illegal downloading on copyrighted material. Now i understand a lot of you here would now be going, "what!! we like our illegal downloads of freebies" but think of this, what is more important to you? stopping these *******s hurting and exploiting our children? or getting some free download? I know what my choice would be, not!! having my free downloads.

Anyone else notice that limewire can go to the trouble of editing out swear words on this forum, but not bother editing out child exploitation material on their downloads! i find this disturbing!
regards tash_g

Tyciol, hows my grammar going? lol, please say its getting better! Well i hope it is, but i bet you still find mistakes.
regards

[Newbee2]

you were talking about 'Secret folders' would these be on your 'C' drive,I suspect they would,therefore if you 'ghost' or restore your 'C'drive ,EVERYTHING is overwritten,with a copy of your 'C' drive BEFORE you downloaded any suspect material,or 'Secret folders', unless your first operating system was infected on start up on the first day? or unless you dont keep 'Points' or ghosts very frequently? VERY rare to have folders imposed onto your 'D'drive, this must be a first !! how could they operate from there???? I don't think you understand about keeping copies of your op. system,either that, or I dont.So far in my limited expierience,if you have a major problem with viruses etc... when you use a backup copy,everything is overwritten,GOODBYE viruses and 'Secret folders' seems to work for most of us.Perehaps others can advise on this?

[Xcom46]

First of all Newbee 2

There are ways to reload your dive.Because it Do's Not matter if your doing a system restore that only brings you back to the point that your PC has stoped or has or had a problem.And on top of that it really never works that well in the first place.And the only way to really get rid of every thing on your PC is to install a fresh install of your windows Op through Dos mode you would have to do a full Formatt of your hard drive 100% clean no file's no nothing.Try that on fore size.

And also back up copys are risky to if you had a viruse or worm on that first Op system than there is a good chance that you burned the virus to that disk so no matter how you look at it.It is all still just a big Risk every body is going to have to take So Quit Complaing.I get it an so do many other people in this vast world of computers.

[Newbee2]

Seems to me that you have a serious ********* on your PC safest thing to do is to go back to a 'Ghost' if you have one? a trusted' system restore'point if you have one? if you have neither you will have to re-install your op. system, YOU should do this because it will only get worse!! you have to be able to trust what your system is doing!!
You can use a 'Packet Sniffer' to see EXACTLY what traffic is going in and OUT of your system,where it's going,who asked for it and so on,what speed etc..... if this secret folder exists? you can see what is going in and out with this type of software(Good for discovering dialers etc..) I hope that you have a GOOD spyware defense? (Something like spysweeper) and a good anti virus?
But you need to start again with a clean system urgently.
Must admit iv'e never heard of others organising your downloads unless your computer is being operated remotely,in which case you have been hijacked,most often done through browsers,although not unheard of through fake files.
GET CLEAN and start again is my best advice.
Newbee2

xcom,Please read the thread,I was advising starting with a clean system !!
unless you use the 'Ghost' system of always keeping a clean copy that you KNOW is clean.you must re-install.
I wasn't moaning !

[Peers]

the best, and only IMHO, time to ghost your system is just after you have done a clean install and have your basic programs (read security) up and running....

[Newbee2]

Spot on Peers,
Only use, and make, a ghost that you can TRUST !
N2:)

[PMX7]

Well, I am new here. I did some research from what I could understand from Cybertipline, FBI, and few others.

If you accidentally downloaded a file which turned to be a child pornography or illegal obscure materials. You immediately report it to the law enforcements and the Cybertipline (National Center for Missing and Explioted Children) about that instance. Be honest with them.

What I am saying is that reporting the child pornography immediately after you unintentionally discover the child pornography is definitely right thing to do. Ignoring the child porn is not what you should do, everyone have legal responsibilities to report them immediately regardless of their personal bias. If it should occur to you, you don't have to worry about getting in trouble because you REPORTED to the authorities.

There are several instance of people who immediately reported child porn to the law enforcement and Cybertipline after they accidentally recieved or dwonloaded child porn materials. They don't get in trouble because they reported as required by the laws.

I am not sure if anyone here would agree with me but it is still right thing to report them anyways.

FBI Publications - A Parent's Guide to Internet Safety (http://www.fbi.gov/publications/pguide/pguidee.htm)


Should any of the following situations arise in your household, via the Internet or on-line service, you should immediately contact your local or state law enforcement agency, the FBI (http://www.fbi.gov/contact/fo/fo.htm), and the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (http://www.fbi.gov/cgi-bin/outside.cgi?http://www.missingkids.com/):

Your child or anyone in the household has received child pornography;
Your child has been ***ually solicited by someone who knows that your child is under 18 years of age;
Your child has received ***ually explicit images from someone that knows your child is under the age of 18.If one of these scenarios occurs, keep the computer turned off in order to preserve any evidence for future law enforcement use. Unless directed to do so by the law enforcement agency, you should not attempt to copy any of the images and/or text found on the computer.



The Cybertipline recommended the same thing.

FAQ: Child ***ual Exploitation (http://www.cybertipline.com/missingkids/servlet/PageServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=2815&PageId=1491#16)

What should I do if I accidentally receive or download child pornography?

Images of child pornography are illegal and may be needed for evidence; it is imperative that you take the following steps:

Do not mail these images to law enforcement.
Call or visit the proper law-enforcement authority and ask how they would like to handle this evidence.
After speaking with the proper law-enforcement authority, follow their instructions.
After you have complied with their instructions, delete the images from your computer including from both the "Trash" and "Cache" areas.

However, the ECPAT-USA's faq say differently.

ECPAT USA (http://www.ecpatusa.org/faq.asp)

What should I do if I accidentally download child pornography or receive unsolicited child pornography via email?

The law requires you to destroy any child pornography in your possession and to contact law enforcement officials. If you do not, you can be prosecuted for possessing or receiving child pornography.

[Valor_NET]

can't believe others are suggesting merely blocking the porno...how does that solve the problem by pretending it isnt there????

It doesn't. It's not LimeWire's purpose, nor is it a major objective. That's not what this service is for - so stop complaining about it. The least they can do however, and they do, is add filters for you to use to "protect" yourself. If you use them effectively - you shouldn't have many, if any, problems.

Some of you download accidentally - I'm sorry you come across things you aren't mentally prepared for nor happy about, etc.

But for those others who simply do it and complain on purpose for attention should find something better to do with their time.

All in all, I'm sick of this topic beyond belief. If you want something done, you have to do it yourself and stop whining until somebody does it for you. Stop spamming up LW with this complaint. Thank you.

[sv punk]

i think it should definetly be banned!!!!!!

[jabba12]

I just dont understand. I have had Limewire for over a year now and have never ever ever downloaded child porn before. How do you dn/ld child porn by accident? Everyone has the oppertunity to preview both aud/vid files before complete. There is a ton of info right here on these forums, if you will do a little research and take the initiative to READ and LEARN. There are alot of ways to search for files safely, if you will take a little time to find out how

i searched using "black tattoo" in the te** search the other day and up came a title nearly leaving me dry reaching. there are some parts to this planet that are very sick. my concern is my children will want to use this one day. i am seriously thinking of the removing of this as well.

[Angiebaby]

I am a new subscriber to Limewire. The very first time I used the browse host option I came across some child porn in the middle of the person's playlist. I couldn't believe that someone could openly lable their video "child porn" and get away with it. Doesn't Limewire have a way of dealing with this issue? I have children that use Limewire and am very disturbed that they could be inadvertantly exposed to it.
On the news recently the was a story about how Manitoba (I think) was thinking of passing legislation that would make it illegal for anyone coming across child porn - for intance photo developers - not to report it. I think that this might help add extra ammunition in combating this horrible problem.
In the meantime I think sites like Limewire should make more of an effort to remove this content from its site.

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

Once again, I'll remind everybody that the gnutella network is not a site of any kind,
and it is completely impossible to take control of it in order to discriminate against
any class of people and throw them out, no matter how much you want to.

If you don't want to see any porn, turn on the appropriate filters.

[alexxj220]

Do the fbi polant notices on limewire about tracking ip adresses,
i was downloading some liquid gold songs and i got a notice (in jpg) sayin that
fbi and interpol are tracing my ip and it will be used as evidance.
what do i do.
in the background it had a picture of a femail cut out, what does this mean
pleasetell me :confused:

[alexxj220]

yes, wen you erase files they are just hidden from the operating systerm. download somthing like tracks erasor. its good but you have 2 pay for it, or just dont go on limewire

[alexxj220]

cant limewire just monitor the files names, or make it impossable to download files or something. it is rather annoying

[Only A Hobo]

To repeat. Limewire cannot monitor anything. It supplies its software with filters and you can enter what ever terms you like into these filters... you enter you own terms ... and afaik many of these are covered by the adult filter, which you can enable. Do that your self and you will eliminate all search results containing those words.

I have never once downloaded porn of any sort unintentionally, and have never used the adult filter either, and I really do wonder what people are looking for when the come up with this filth.

Some files are mislabeled and, using this type of network, there is absolutely no way to control that, other than to use the Bitzi look up facility.

[brsanko]

Some moron uploaded that picture as a joke. The FBI does not trace ip addresses. Nor do you need to worry about being arrested for accidentally downloading child porn. The only reason your computer would ever be searched for CP is if the police had other reasons to suspect you of possesing it. and the only reason anyone would ever be prosecuted for merely possesing illegal content is if they seriously suspected you of other crimes and CP possesion was the only thing they could solidly pin on you, or if you were flaunting your possesion of it. As far as Limewire being resposible for content Limewire has no content it is merely a tool in which you can search the content of individual citizen's computers. There is no way, nor should there be of Limewire controlling what people have on there computers. As far as reporting it every time you come across CP there really is no need because the FBI is just as capable of finding it as you are. It not that hard. If the police and FBI were actively looking to catch people for possesion of CP one simple Limewire search could provide enough evedence to impicate and possible prosicute hundreds. But it would to nothing to stop child abuse or the pruduction of such material. You need not worry about being arrested for accedentally downloading something I've not herd of one case of this happening. If anything limewire provides a way of finding the people who make this stuff it puts the evidence right out in the open where anyone can find it. What better evidence could there be than the material itself. If you want to avoid exposure to this use the filters, don't download pics or video (most of it is copyrighted anyway) and if you don't want you children exposed don't let them use the internet unsupervised(this is common sense anyway). Dispite what they might tell you 90% of what is downloaded on Limewire is either copyrighted, illegal, or otherwise undesireable I'm not saying it doesn't have ligitamet uses, it does, but to make it work for the rest of us we just hve to deal with its missuse. In short it's not for children, because anything is available if you are not responsible enough to not missuse it you shouldn't use it.

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

That's not the FBI. It's just a misguided group of activists that actually do nothing useful.
I'll bet they haven't even corrected the grammatical error in that bogus picture after all these years.

[alexxj220]

my bantwith is 2 high, its already downloaded befour i an prevew dapics init

[alexxj220]

who can you contact if this does hasppen and what will happen to the supplyer

[alexxj220]

cor thanks lol, you put mi mind at rest, i was shittin it from the police ****in thriough my door, it looked pretty ligitament aswell, it was well done. cheers :)

[Only A Hobo]

This one of the sites you can report offenders regarding child porn... http://www.cphotline.org/

Not sure what will happen to them .. depends on their location .. but a long stretch in prison, where other prisoners don't take kindly to such perverts, seems likely.

[darlin1111]

Almost every time I search dvd movies (no other criteria), at least one comes up with a description that indicates underage porn. I cannot confirm because I certainly don't download to verify.
I thought this was a serious crime. What's up with Limewire and the scumbags posting such?

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

Nothing's up with LimeWire and don't bother trying to understand the scumbags.
Try enabling the porn filter if you don't want to see anything porn-related, much of
which falsely claims to be illegal just to get attention.

[blahblahblah333]

ive accidentally downloaded a SHITLOAD of CP cuz i typed in "porn" and highlighted and selected several of them and downloaded them....and i came back after dinner and saw i downloaded 6 videos of cp...can i get arrested? this is so unfair. im scared, this happend 3 days ago, i can't sleep or eat... im really really scared to tell my parents and say "if the FBI comes it was me" im seriously crying, i dont know wut to do...help me please. tell me that i wont get in trouble. i deleted the stuff AND limewire and ive already zeroed out my computer a million times, but my IP is in all there accounts now right? so if they get caught, the feds are gonna come find me next right?:( i work with kids in the summer and i dont want to lose all my friends, my parents, and my girlfriend...omg. i don't know what to do....

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

Forget about it. You deleted it and nobody's going to say you downloaded it on purpose.

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

That would be paranoia.

[woody92019]

I would suggest being very, very careful what you are downloading. People from all types of government agencies DO MONITOR Limewire and other P2P programs. If you are a parent and have kids or teens with Limewire, GO AND CHECK WHAT THEY HAVE. You do not need a wake up call from the FEDS or Local Police coming in and searching your home for something your kids or teens downloaded. I would suggest removing any P2P programing. One small slip up could cost them a lifetime of problems.

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

That would be paranoia too. The police are looking for mass uploaders, distributors
and producers, not accidental downloaders.

All you have to do to be sure you are not accidentally uploading stuff you
downloaded is to go into the options and make sure your download folder (called
"shared") is not actually being shared anymore.

[blahblahblah333]

: (

i still can't sleep...
I left my home and im away at college now...are they gonna trace it to my house? god my poor mom :, ( .....does this happen allot?

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

Nobody's going to trace it. It's just junk in a noisy network. The only way such a
thing would be traced is if you had a lot of it, were sharing it for a long time, and lots
of people uploaded it from you. Since you never hit one of those points, much less
all three, you have nothing to worry about.

[blahblahblah333]

isnt 6 videos allot? ugh. im so disgusted with human beings...
thanks allot though, ill prolly be able to start to "recover" thanks to your posts

[omacd29]

I thought i would fill you guys in a bit on what we do...we meaning the FBI. I am a federal agent with the FBI in a special unit that deals with child porn cases. We do NOT waste our time tracing people over limewire who have downloaded it. we are on the hunt for those who make it and purchase it. It is not illigal to look at the law states it is illigal to 'purchase, create or produce child pornography'. So to put all you at ease we will not be hunting you unless you were the creator of it.For those who wish to report IP adressess what we will do is we will see if the porn on that address comes from that address initially and then we will investigate it. Hope this helps...

Stay on the right side of the law...

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

You'll forgive me for some natural scepticism, but you're going to have to provide
some ident now. Here's my mailbox: http://www.limewire.org/forum/private.php?do=newpm&u=1160

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

The only people who were ever arrested or charged were distributing or caught
buying it with their credit cards. No cop would waste his time unless there was a
good chance of a conviction, especially in cases where a failed case could result in a
lawsuit or disciplinary action. It's as simple as that.

[Newbee2]

I must admit to finding a lot of hypocritical comments on all these pages !
How many do not seem to understand that P2P like LWire are NOT in charge of content,that the content is contained on myriads of thousands of individual computers.You can find CP on any web browser,google,yahoo.etc etc etc
if you are stupid enough to look, or want to look for it. Why are all these complaints to LWire? is it to build a case for court? I find MANY things on the net and P2P really disgusting,pictures of ghastly accidents,torture,dismemberment,beheading,military action,torture of pets and animals,all this in GRAPHIC detail, I dislike and abhor all this stuff, so, I DON'T GO LOOKING FOR IT,I AVOID it,simple really. When I go into a shop, I dont shout at the owner about the porn on the top shelf ,I just don't buy it, if you trade in this disgusting stuff you create a market for it. I'm sure that people who blatently share this stuff will get traced at some time,but as I've said before a lot of eastern couintries where this is made DONT CARE. If you care, write to embassy's of these countries, join in , write to politicians about censoring the worldwide web,(Rather a large task I feel !). Also the benefits of the WWW. by far outweigh the negatives. But I agree we don't live in a perfect world,and like many dispicable trades,and practices this one is nasty.
PS I have been using LWire for a few years now,and I've never downloaded anything like these mistitled CP disguised files, i have downloaded a few files with viruses and suchlike tho' usually movies and zips,but you live and learn!!
All the best,
N2

[atiboy]

I thought i would fill you guys in a bit on what we do...we meaning the FBI. I am a federal agent with the FBI in a special unit that deals with child porn cases. We do NOT waste our time tracing people over limewire who have downloaded it. we are on the hunt for those who make it and purchase it. It is not illigal to look at the law states it is illigal to 'purchase, create or produce child pornography'. So to put all you at ease we will not be hunting you unless you were the creator of it.For those who wish to report IP adressess what we will do is we will see if the porn on that address comes from that address initially and then we will investigate it. Hope this helps...

Stay on the right side of the law...


I disagree with omac29 (above). He says it is not illegal to look at, and not arrest those who dont create it. But if you guys remember Chris Langham in the UK.He certainly was looking at it which got him nearly 10 mths in jail plus but negative media. Omac29 also mentions: 'it is illegal to 'purchase, create or produce child pornography'. But creating and producing is the same as 'looking or viewing'. See definition below:

Putting an image on your computer is the process of 'making' an image. Primarily this means willingly downloading an image. It has nothing to do with fiddling about with photo editing tools or the like.
See site below for more info on this definition
http://www.greatwriting.co.uk/content/view/3163/81/

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

Ignore omacd29. Not only does he not know the law, he failed to provide proper
ident when lawfully challenged.

The example given above is irrelevant because it has no valid relation to the law.
Under the law, "accessing" is illegal but it distinctly and functionally seperate from
"making", "producing" or "distributing" illegal pornography. The blogger in that
amateur article clearly is expressing his own views and shelters behind the
anonymity of a pseudonym to escape responsibility for his writing.

Because dragnet-style searches are illegal, as well as "sting" operations that
actually deal in illegal porn, the only time someone faces charges for "accessing" is
when they were arrested or investigated in the course of another criminal
investigation, such as when a porn distributor is caught and credit card receipts are
gathered as evidence, or as when someone who is arrested for molestation is found
to have significant quantities of illegal porn in their possession.

Stories of people being arrested for a single image are either bogus or indicative of
wilful misconduct on the part of law enforcement personnel.

[Judge Zargabaath]

Hey, it's safe to delete your posts.

Edit>Go Advanced>Delete this message.

[sdt1986]

Hey, it's safe to delete your posts.

Edit>Go Advanced>Delete this message.

Your signature thing got my details wrong!

[Judge Zargabaath]

If you live in the UK and your ISP has changed (as is the case with Telewest and Virgin Media) Then the details WILL be wrong.

[atiboy]

Hi Aaron,
You mentioned 'dragnet-style searches' are illegal. Do you mean from Google typing 'child porn' even though you dont actually go into any CP sites? I am sure many people have typed that in Google to get into forums and other sites that talk about different CP cases. Or have i completely misunderstood this phrase?

[norfleja]

Hi folks,

I've been losing sleep the past couple of weeks because of this.

I did a wipe/fresh install of windows back at the beginning of November because I was making my computer dual boot. I didn't reinstall Limewire until around the middle of November. I didn't use it every night, maybe a couple of nights a week after work. I would normally start some downloads and go to sleep, since there were times the connection was running incredibly slow. I've used Limewire a lot in the past, so I didn't think anything of this.

Did that for about a month, then didn't use it for a little over a week around Christmas. After Christmas but before the new year, I got on one night and was downloading some music. I actually checked the files this time, and saw that I had apparently downloaded some pretty bad material along the way. I mean, there were several of them just sitting there.

I got rid of it, of Limewire (for the time being), and wiped the drive. Since I haven't downloaded any videos since the middle of December, it's been almost a month and a half since any bad material could have come in. I don't know what to think, though. I had turned off the "incomplete shares" but I discovered that I left the "shared" folder on, so all that filth I had was available for someone else to get. I don't know if I would have already been asked about it by now, or if it's going to be another several months before I get a visit from somebody about it.

Does anyone know of a timeline the authorities follow for this sort of thing? I feel absolutely horrible about this whole situation.

[8600]

As users we only have control over our own content. As soon as i acquire new data i open it to see if the content is what i am expecting. If it has been misrepresented i clear it out off of my data bank and instantly mark the questionable file as JUNK on LW. If enough of us do this i believe such data can be identified and will be removed.

You took the right steps in clearing the material from your site. But remember that such data can come from any web email or false web site with a hidden bug. I use a strong virus software and spy ware programs to scan my computer each day to keep it clean.

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

The odds of anyone being harassed for any reason on the gnutella network is
significantly lower than being struck by lightning. The only way you could even be
noticed, much less given a second glance, is if you became the biggest broadcaster
of such stuff in your country and stayed number one for several months.

There are literally millions of people who found and then deleted such crap and no
court would ever hold it against you if you accidentally tripped over and then got
rid of it.

[8600]

Arron.Walkhouse,

I think you hit the nail on the head.
it has a lot to do with what you do and don't do.
My grandfather always told me to "Do right and you cant do wrong"

[norfleja]

Thanks Aaron,

As I said, I've used Limewire for years before this, and while this has happened before, I simply got rid of everything and never thought twice about it. The reason I'm so riled up this time is because after re-installing Limewire, I forgot to turn off my shares, and during the month-long period that I could have downloaded these files, I'd be connected to the network all night sometimes, so I don't know who downloaded what.

I've been searching Google for stories of people being indicted for Limewire downloads, and usually what I find is that they had something else going on that tipped off the authorities, and just found the downloads secondarily. I did come across a news article yesterday, though, of a kid being caught for a single download. I know in an earlier post of yours, you said instances of that happening are either lies or examples of over-zealous authorities, but seeing an example of that actually happening is downright frightening.

As it has been a month and a half, I'm not as worried as I was initially, but I've still got that nagging feeling in the back of my mind that something will happen later on. I suppose the longer I wait, the less and less I'll have to worry about it.

Thanks again, Aaron.

[upset2008]

See they just don't care about the free site and what gets posted and what viruses are on the net work. I have repoted stuff and no one ever emailed me back. I even have the IP address written out of many who post Virusues or SPam, Junk videos but no one ever cares.
So it is they don't care or are to lazy to do something about it.
Example there is a video out there called cute girl has orgasm on webcam it is a MPG of 449.3Kb try loading it and a small videos does download of a girl pleasuring her self then it tries to connect to a web site.

Oh and that filter is a joke by the way and yes there are videos showing child porn on the net that are real and limewire better do somthing about it.

[Judge Zargabaath]

LimeWire LLC can't do anything about what is on the network. It's up to people to decide for themselves for what the put on the network, whether that be porn, copyrighted music, or anything else.

[Tigerman]

Sorry to burst any bubbles but to trace an ip address found on lime wire is next to impossible the ip address you get I have pinged and it bounces around so many servers and the signal is lost for the most part now with a government super computer it may be possible but with the computers that the offices use will never happen most people that are busted with child porn are busted from stupidity.

[atiboy]

Thanks Aaron,

As I said, I've used Limewire for years before this, and while this has happened before, I simply got rid of everything and never thought twice about it. The reason I'm so riled up this time is because after re-installing Limewire, I forgot to turn off my shares, and during the month-long period that I could have downloaded these files, I'd be connected to the network all night sometimes, so I don't know who downloaded what.

I've been searching Google for stories of people being indicted for Limewire downloads, and usually what I find is that they had something else going on that tipped off the authorities, and just found the downloads secondarily. I did come across a news article yesterday, though, of a kid being caught for a single download. I know in an earlier post of yours, you said instances of that happening are either lies or examples of over-zealous authorities, but seeing an example of that actually happening is downright frightening.

As it has been a month and a half, I'm not as worried as I was initially, but I've still got that nagging feeling in the back of my mind that something will happen later on. I suppose the longer I wait, the less and less I'll have to worry about it.

Thanks again, Aaron.


This is interesting about a kid being arrested for a single download. Even if it was by mistake. From past threads on this forum, i hear people downloading nearly a dozen by mistake, so are they all doomed? If you can provide the link to this news article it would be interesting to read about. Its funny how one kid gets nicked for one download and yet others who have downloaded several dont! I think there is more to this story and the kid must have done more than just download one cp. As Aaron said it is pointless for the police to arrest someone if they're not distributing/ sharing it or have downloaded hundreds.


***This is interesting: Man arrested for downloading only 2 photos!
http://www.tdn.com/articles/2008/01/25/area_news/10075879.txt

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

Looks like that guy stored a couple of photos on Yahoo servers.
This has nothing to do with file sharing at all.

[atiboy]

I know that. But the point is he got busted for only 2 photos. Cos he saved it on yahoo servers plus giving away his postcode.

Also, have you come across the article about the kid that got busted for 1 photo mentioned above?

[somlai]

i think it is ludicrous how limewire can;t do anything about this

one time i accidently clicked on a link not realising the print that came after labelled with child at the end and i was sick to see such material being allowed on limewire

something must be done asap as things like these can be viewed around the world which i believe to be terrible and foul to see happening in human society

[Judge Zargabaath]

Right, now I'm going to get angry. I've been angry for several weeks now with people being stupid.

ONLY PEOPLE WHO USE LIMEWIRE CAN CHOOSE WHAT THE PUT ON THE NETWORK, ALTHOUGH LIMEWIRE LLC COULD NOT DO MUCH AS THERE ARE MANY PROGRAMS THAT USE THE NETWORK!

There's my 2 cents.

[rockthebox]

The internet is a difficult thing to control. There are just too many files and who can really verify the true author of what ever is posted. Someone needs to come up with a better system of cracking down on scum bags, until then we have to treat everything on a case by case basis.

[Judge Zargabaath]

Yes. If you want to think, your brain might be a good first stop.

[wiccansangel]

[QUOTE=upset2008;11464]See they just don't care about the free site

well first off your getting the service for free what the hell did you expect?? and second you and you alone deside what you download if you dont like the titles you see when you search then use the filters somethings better then nothing and if you have that big a problem with it that the filters arnt enough then upgrade to pro or stop using it. I mean you claim that the efforts that have been made by someone else arnt good enough to suite your taste but your still using it and proply enjoying not paying for it. So just be happy that there is still a free program out there to trade music movies and what not on and be happy your not paying for it
Angel

[wiccansangel]

ps Im not advicating those posting child porn however its not the fault of people like Zargabaath and Aaron that others choose to use the program and network in this fashion

[rythmaticqn]

well, you know, this is a very very hard call to make. Yeah, we all know that Limewire can't do anything about it, but if they started to, you know how much money that would cost them?! Because they would or might need to hire more people specifically for that type of 'area'. Trying to catch the 'bad guy' on Limewire is like trying to find a fugitive that's dead or overseas. ecause there are SOOO many people. Probably More than MILLIONS access limewire if not millions now, there will be. I'm not saying that I don't care, I honestly REALLY REALLY do. No kid should be put out there and violated like that or at all for that matter. I would put my opinion out there a little more but I don't want to 'offend' anyone by it.

[Xcom46]

dont we all ready have a thread about this.

[rythmaticqn]

dont we all ready have a thread about this.

that was supposed to be a rply to a thread but i dont know what happened

[Kath]

Threads Merged!!

[Judge Zargabaath]

ps Im not advicating those posting child porn however its not the fault of people like Zargabaath and Aaron that others choose to use the program and network in this fashion

Exactly. And don't forget, for probably the 1000th time it's been said on this thread, LimeWire LLC cannot control what's on the network.

The people here only try to give advice on what to do.

I know exactly what I'm doing, and I keep away from things like .wmv/.wma/.mov files, and use bitzi and keep my BullGuard up to date.

[tresont]

Pedo-files are a widespread problem on the net. I've written twice against it and thought no-one is listening. One problem is that a remedy may involve censorship; however, on this issue, as publishing and distributing pedo-files is illegal, then censorship is warranted. I'm of the opinion that together we can squash the pedo- perverts from the net.

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

No, don't try to cut them off from the net because it's impossible without sacrificing
freedom of speech. It's still one of the best ways for the police in various nations to
detect and track them too. Protect yourself instead by blocking that stuff from your end.

Here's a list of keywords to add to your keyword filter. It mostly blocks spam but
that and kiddy porn use the same language. FilterKeyword.txt (http://www3.telus.net/Aaron_Walkhouse/FilterKeyword.txt)

[lliimmeewwiirreee]

If there is child porn going through the network, the network and the whole company needs to be shutdown forever PERIOD.
That goes for anything else (Computer Networks) where spreading child porn and making it globally available regardless of damage it would cause to infrastructures. Wow, global. This personally makes me reconsider whether computers and technology are good or bad.

Don't get me wrong. Globally available with one click I get it. But with this whole p2p child porn epidemic, isn't there some alternative these companies could be participating in? I mean, what percentage of your work is ACTUALLY going towards spreading child pornography and making it available with one click?

No content checking? SHUT IT DOWN - PERIOD

Don't mind me though. Just go to your meeting on how child porno can be transferred faster. what me worry.





I think someone needs to put the devil in the dirt.

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

Yes, let's cancel the First Amendment and outlaw free speech everywhere right away. :rolleyes:

How would you propose "content checking" be done?
Should we outlaw telephones, TV and mail as well? :p

[lliimmeewwiirreee]

I don't think this isn't an issue about free speech. I think this is an issue of some zeros and ones which directly result in
giant droves of child pornography.

As far as content checking, there are no boundaries with zeros and ones. Take YouTube for an alternative. All the content probably either gets a glance by someone or can be reported then later removed.

Take this analogy:

What would you do with a piece of technology that could make you physically invisible? The answer is simple. WHAT EVER THE HELL YOU WANT. Locks, doors, etc won't mean anything anymore because of the invisibility.

I would compare Limewire file sharing to this analogy. There is child pornography in the form of zeros and ones moving through these networks on a large scale without even the ability to do anything about it? That's invisible!


I think that with some changes and modifications, the drove can stop.
I think somebody somewhere just has to get into gear and put a little work into it. Or just stop.

[Only A Hobo]

*Yawn* By your analogy the entire internet should be shut down, Every bookshop closed, and every mail order supplier of everything shut down.

Look if you want to do something constructive about these criminals .. please do but for heaven's sake stop making out that Limewire is at fault for allowing such things to happen. Oh but if you must blame Limewire .. um I think you should go after Cannon, Nikon or any other companies whose equipment is used to film this stuff in the first place.

I really must try to find some of this kiddie porn* on Limewire because I have never EVER seen any, but if you know where to find it here or elsewhere ..I guess it must be possible. I guess it must depend on what you are looking for in the first place........

(btw I was not being serious*)

[lliimmeewwiirreee]

Agree to disagree.

[Michellelynn]

im so glad im not the only ones worrying about all this it makes me happy to know there are others helping to fight this but also trying to keep p2p alive

[Gwasshoppa]

Hello Hobo......
Patience is not a virtue.
It's just a waste of time.;)
(Apologies for being flippant on a serious topic, but there will always be sicko's peddling their wares)

[motogp7]

First I must say is that I am new to Limewire, but have been on other peer-to-peer networks. I have also been on some torrent sites as well. At first glance, I thought these were fake files to push the envelope or spark controversy so my curiosity ensued. I was appalled on what I found. This is completely unacceptable and inappropriate behavior on these sick individuals that display this kind of material. Even though Limewire is a P2P sharing host, it should have some policing on what material is being shared. If you are going to host file sharing network then there must be accountability for what is going through your network. They will argue the fact that they are not responsible for the content that is being shared, because it is supposed to be anonymous and therefore they are not liable. However, I disagree. I like downloading files and I like downloading porn as much as the next guy, but I don’t want to see anything illegal and especially do not want to see any abuse on children. It strikes a chord with me that I take personally. I have found IP address in the past of people like these and tried to report them to the authorities but never saw any results. I hope that this type of martial from these types of individuals will be stopped because it isn’t cool, it isn’t funny, it isn’t erotic and it most definitely is not moral. It’s just wrong, plain and simple. I have kept my voice shut and my opinion to myself for too long. I will always be an advocate of stopping this type of material and thought about forming a group to find these individuals and ending their file sharing. Sorry about the rant, but this is got to stop.

- moto

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

It has been said many times before:
LimeWire has no control over what people share.
It will never be possible to control what people share.
The network was designed to prevent censorship.

If you don't want to see it, turn on the adult content filter in the software.
Anybody with illegal porn on gnutella is seen by police because it does not hide IP addresses.
Leave it to the police to handle.

[motogp7]

I see and understand your point, and I am against censorship. However, when material is considered objectionable, questionable, harmful or sensitive and in this case illegal, it should be addressed. There are things that are beyond the realm of censorship that are just plain wrong. We all have our own opinions in life and our own definitions of morality, but if you boil it down we all know the difference between right and wrong. I don't want to argue with you because you're just doing your job so I will cease to rant and hopefully the police will do their job like you said. Thanks for your reply. :)

[Only A Hobo]

Hello Hobo......
Patience is not a virtue.
It's just a waste of time.;)
(Apologies for being flippant on a serious topic, but there will always be sicko's peddling their wares)

Thats my signature which I post on the end of everything.

The sick people need locking away and we have frequently posted links as to where they can be reported.

This is something that I hope people will do. I just tire of people who say that Limewire should be shut down for allowing such things. Armed with the facts and an will to rid society of the worst of its members we can hopefully do something about these people ......

[hivguy]

I downloaded a porn that said cute black girl gets ****ed by white guy thinking it was a of age female, however when I viewed it the female looked possibly underage. I was disgusted to see this and stopped watching after about 5 seconds of it. I then deleted it from my computer. We have to be careful with this because you never know if the girls are of age or not. I"ve since put a lot of words in my filter to try my best to prevent this from happening again. I have daughters myself and am worried about this to the extreme. I've e-mailed limewire about this because I'm a newbie to limewire (only a couple of days and was unaware that this disusting sicko filth was open to accidental downloading. My filters filter out alot however some of the searches are still not the material that I'm looking for. It still shows digusting filth in them. I hope for pete's sake that limewire does something about this major problem soon. We shouldn't go to jail because some perv wants to get normal people in deep trouble.

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

Don't look for porn at all on P2P. It's either garbage or spam.
There are plenty of legitimate web sites out there for you to find.

[hivguy]

First of all thanks for getting back to me, secondly are these sites free as well because I've seen some that require you to register your e-mail address which opens the door for adware. I have norton security 2008 installed. thirdly and foremost important is there this filth on there as well(child porn or underage females). The term girls can refer to young women around 18 or 19 at that age I still call them girls not meaning girls that are younger than that. The female I saw may have been of age I really don't know for sure however she did look like a female around 15 or 16. I am aware that some females do look young but can be like 30 years old, especially asian females and some other ethnic backgrounds. When I saw the term cute black girl I thought maybe 19 or 20. Like I said she may have been that age, but she did look young and I really was uncomfortable seeing a female the same age as my oldest daughter. I hope that she wasn't underage since I'm dead against child abuse of any kind not even spanking. I know some would argue towards that. I don't want to see child abuse of ANY kind whatsoever I don't care what people are justified in their own reasons IT'S WRONG PERIOD and must stop. Only we this generation and the next can stop it. These poor innocent victims will have terrible lives because of these senseless immoral sick pervs.

[tresont]

Hello hivguy,
thanks for writing in about the pedo-files and your objection to it. I wish more people would write in and deluge Limewire admin. and their moderators.
Regards,
tresont

[tresont]

Hello hivguy,
thanks for writing in about the pedo-files and your objection to it. I wish more people would write in and deluge Limewire admin. and their moderators. For the past week or so I've been objecting to it in the Hangout forum. Please check the dialogue out. All I've gotten back from Limewire and Aaron Wakhouse (Limewire Moderator) is every reason in the book why they shouldn't close the pedo-files down! Apparently, according to him, I'm RANTING on about this subject, but like you and others I feel that Limewire's position should not go unchallenged. Overall, I believe the "Images" should be shut down until something can be done to stop these child porn pervs. They are disgusting! Anyways folks, join the battle in the Hangout forum. For the record, I don't believe Aaron, or Limewire are giving credible reasons for their intransigence on this issue. Succinctly put he and they are wrong on their general position, as well as on specifics: i.e. technical computer and legal.
Regards,
tresont

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

While you're at it, petition your government to shut down email, newsgroups, instant
messaging, internet relay chat and the world wide web. Those are also being used illegally.
To be safe, shut down the post office, internet service providers and the phone companies too.

What? They won't do it? Maybe it has something to do with the fact that they can be used legally too.

The fact of the matter is, we will never be in a position to remotely censor anybody. If you
don't want to see porn, you are responsible to censor yours own search results and downloads.
You can never take the authority upon yourself to decide what others can or cannot do in their
own homes, even if it is illegal from where you are standing.

If you want to do something about it in spite of that simple fact, go to basic training and
become a policeman yourself. Then maybe you will understand the issues involved and can
find something more productive to do then pester people who have nothing to do with it.

[tresont]

GOOD FOR YOU MOTO. KEEP AT IT. WE'LL GET SOMEWHERE ON THIS ISSUE YET. HOPEFULLY TO RESTRICT IT NET-WIDE AND NOT JUST LIMEWIRE. SOMETIMES A PERSON JUST HAS TO TAKE A STAND. I, LIKE YOU AND OTHERS HAVE TAKEN THAT STAND. If there is a will there is a way. By the way, you are not ranting!

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

LimeWire has no control of the network and never will. It is quite simply impossible
because gnutella is an open source public network that anybody can use and write
software for. Because there are a large number of different programs that use and
support the network, none of them can seize control for any reason, as you
mistakenly think is possible. If anyone tried, all the rest would just block the bad
software as illegitimate and a threat to the network.

Even if LimeWire suddenly disappeared tomorrow others would immediately take it's
place and nothing would change.

[scyriacus]

hey lliimmeewwiirreee

could u pls just stop this and leave it all up 2 the almighty lord who will burn the souls of all wrongdoers in hell on judgementday.....why don't u argue with the evil in weapons and on tv?

[scyriacus]

some people want to ban 'drinking-glases' coz they were misused and smashed on somebodies head. this is ridiculous....the best thing 4 those 'world-saviors' is 2 ban everything from violence to sex to weapons to money and finally 'the evil'. only then they will live in 'paradise' not knowing nothing and not being ashamed anymore......

[scyriacus]

poor lliimmeewwiirreee

didn't u know, that criminals r using our roads? will u shut them all down???

[Disgusted1]

I too have had problems with childporn showing up in my downloads and yes I understand that "no one" wants to be responsible and everyone wants to pass the buck... Unfortunately The reality is we can't stop child porn from being shared p2p so what is the answer? We all know it but none of us wants to give up Our precious freedom to use p2p in order to stop these people from using p2p systems to spread their disease. The more we take away from them the more freedom we will acheive... but I understand that sacrifice is a difficult thing to do in such a selfish society. I have since deleted Limewire and will never use it again .. Not that it is a bad program , it works great... but it is uncontrolable and sadly it never will be... I have gone to a torrent program that I feel much more secure with. As it is now against the law to not report child porn in some places ...hopefully people will catch on so we don't have to continue to legislate what should be common sense.
Report them to stop them... it might save a life... and no I am not some crackpot anti this or that ... just a person who has become saddened by the diseased society all seem to be so ready to accept. Dis-illusionment will show you the illusion

[Disgusted1]

Even if LimeWire suddenly disappeared tomorrow others would immediately take it's place and nothing would change.

"nothing like a defeatist attitude to justify apathy"

[Disgusted1]

C'mon get real... I sneezed once and got a bloody nose so should we ban sneezes? Some people have a grasp of real issues that are worldwide not extremist, reactionary, backwoods logic. There are alot of children that have and will suffer because people take this stuff lightly ... what if you saw your child being abused on a vid clip??? Would you still think drinking glasses are relevant? Very narrow point of view... This stuff is serious... I will defend my freedoms till I die ... and have for many decades...I am more than willing to make changes to stop people from getting hurt. Especially the innocents. Apathy and trivialization will feed the disease not stop it... Like I said before I found an alternative that will not load this junk onto my system... thus narrowing the field to these diseased people so it will become easier to track them and prosecute them.

[ophelia87]

agreed "disgusted". I loved Limewire for my music downloads, but I too have removed it due to unwanted videos appearing (ugh). I guess as users though, for me at least I should have been more user conscious and payed attention to what was being downloaded, and used filters etc. Like I have said before I didn't know about a lot of this **** in Limewire including how to prevent it, yep call me naive or whatever, but I just wasnt being an aware user. Hopefully people will read this.. learn from others and become more user conscious.

[Disgusted1]

Well ophelia87, I wouldn't be so quick to second guess yourself... The garbage I downloaded was titled as a rock vid...Which was what I was searching for... not porn ... if I wanted porn I just have to watch a soap opera... or the news... I personally have no use for porn and sure as h*** do not want to see anything as disgusting as what I saw in the preview... that's how I would make sure that what I was downloading was what I wanted. Filters will only filter out what they read so if it isn't titled kiddie porn it is just another file to the filters...I don't trust p2p because it is the general public domain so I know there are diseased minds out there... If p2p program builders cannot find a better way to review the bands that they are responsible for opening up (which we know they can't .. or won't) then it is up to the user to find an alternative source ... and we all know alot of what is downloaded (music, vids and W.H.Y.) we are getting free and illegally so anytime ya can "stick it to the man" we feel bigger ... to continue using p2p programs is just creating a bigger spider web for the police (who use our tax dollars not the "government's money" as some refer to it) to pay for these ongoing searches for kiddie porn. In this "enlightened" age with all you junior lawyers out there screaming foul at anything that is common sense... to continue to use or promote p2p programs, you now know that you are supporting a system that is a huge deficit for law enforcement agencies to overcome... I hope all can sleep well knowing this...

If you are not part of the solution...you are part of the problem.

[tresont]

The number of views of this subject's thread (60,000+) should make Limewire wise to how repulsed Limewire users are to the program being used by the pedos. Some type of filters at the source and the hatchet to the child pervs. must be the answer. The lame excuses as to why Limewire is not doing anything to stop the sick child pervs. is contributing to more and more people switching to other programs for their music,images and doc's. There is nothing now, nor will there ever be anything inherently good or redeeming about child porn,this, combined with the fact that its distribution is against the criminal code, makes its censorship justified!
Here you go Aaron and others, another opportunity to trot out your lame excuse and standard script submission on anti-censorship. You do tire us Aaron with your deep arguements. Why don't you just 'not' respond to us. In fact, put an end-user filter on your program and filter out our ["pestering" (Aaron's words)] arguements against child porn. After all, this is how you want us to remedy our objection to Limewire and child porn isn't it? By filtering it from our end? Aaron, you seem to think that 'seeing and hearing no evil' through end-user filters will solve the problem. I think NOT!
Regards,
tresont

[Xcom46]

If you dont like Limewire than dont use it.Quit hasling Us just because you dont like serten thing's.I dont like it much my self BUT A censerchip will not happen For many reason's That i cant think of right now.If you dont like seeing them pedo files than just stop useing The internet completely that simple.Or just keep the net and stop useing Limewire.Or other P2P programs.

[tresont]

Yeah man! Really deep and compelling arguement you make in reply. Methinks you should go back to school - remedial. You did manage to get a few of the words correct - congratulations! By the way, where you replying to my criticism of pedo's, or were you just trying to find a way to advert. your role playing web-site. Either way bud, whether in this world or one constructed of fantasy, your english diction and grammar skills suck - big time! Perhaps you could incorporate a remedial school program into your fantasy world, that way you might start to become grounded in reality!
Regards Always,
tresont!:p

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

Your insults don't contribute anything useful to this thread. You have already been told that the
hypothetical censorship mechanism you want is not possible and why. Unless you can come up
with a better alternative there is no reason to continue beating a dead horse.

[Disgusted1]

Yep, beating a dead horse, or kid or whomever ... Exactly right Aaron. like I said before all ya have to do is stop using p2p or go to a system that has a better way of checking the background of the file distributor's available downloads. And all will still be getting "something for nothing" and it won't be at the expense of the innocence of children. I do feel too that internet providers need to develop some better policies as well. Has anyone really raked them over the coals yet?

[Xcom46]

GROW UP

I think he has to many problems.

[disgusted parent]

I am horrified that CP is being shared on Limewire. This happened to us 12 months ago. My teenager downloaded a file accidentally and was in such a state when the contents was opened. You can image how we felt having this file on our computer and we dealt with it the correct way by deleting and overwriting the file. I cannot believe that 12 months later this is still being allowed to happen to innocent people. Limewire should take some ownership of this problem in order to irradicate this illegal content instead of passing the buck to the users. The only other way of dealing with this is for everyone who is unhappy with Limewire to boycott the program altogether , which this household has done. Who wants to be associated with programs who allow this filth to be shared, they are only supporting the distribution of this material. I am very dissapointed that nothing is being done about getting this stopped. :mad:

ps. For those smarty pants people. No I would not have allowed my teenager to access this program if I had prior knowledge of what can be distributed. But I have made sure plenty people now know about this problem, and I am sure this will result in parents not allowing Limewire to be on their computer.

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

If you'll read the earlier posts, you'll see why LimeWire cannot do
what you suggest. In a nutshell, LimeWire is only one of many
programs that access the network known as gnutella and that
network is designed to prevent any sort of Big Brother type of
censorship and control.

Be glad that it doesn't provide a safe harbour for those people who
try to spread illegal porn. The police can find them easily because
they can easily get search warrants to investigate each IP address
that has such files.

[john_mark_mcmahan]

It seems to me that the whole internet is filled with child porn and knows one wants to stop it from popping up when you run a search. Legal child porn is everywhere and is just as bad, for I can’t run a search that has to do with kids where a link to child porn legal or not does not come up. We need to find a way to secure the whole internet from all things that are not excitable to the people.

[coolhehe]

Hey there,
I found some files on limewire, and I would just like to know this: Is it possible to report users? If so, there are "cute girl with orgasm" files everywhere on the network. Four people have them, and they are:
203.218.163.199
76.173.236.103
76.199.139.127
69.119.106.111
So if you know how to report people, then there they are.
I can't beleve people like all the stuff:eek:

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

That's just spam, and I had one of those in the [Fullsize hostiles List] (http://www.technutopia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=240) already.

I'll add the other three right now… :cool:

[Only A Hobo]

Just to emphasize .... They are not child porn although they are a pain to us all, as is junk mail through our letter box and spam e-mails in our inbox. I seem to recall if you open them they are nothing to do with porn at-all but advertisements for some financial service or something .. no don't bother to find out ... they might contain a trojan .. you never know.

If people start reporting ips such as these as purveyors of child porn the authorities will have a lot of unnecessary work to do.... although Aaron will add them gladly to his list of ips we can exclude from Limewire searches :D

[Kekkonen]

I have to admit, i downloaded a a file by accident when i was new to this.

I remember it it was short .avi file and some crying anime girl with it with all child pornography warnings and how illegal it is, i agree with that and i deleted it since i was afaird.

Even though i don't live in states i still want to support this, i've looked everywhere with that .avi i mentioned since i got some scare tactics to pull, i'm not sure what was it's exact name (I was searching family guy without filters, naive me) but can anyone give me some directions? I can't find it...

And to make it clear, the avi contained all ''Your I.P has been logged'' and certain site where you could go but i remember it was 404, was is a troll or a real deal?

Edit: A troll, confirmed i went all manic for nothing.. We need a better report system in LimeWire.

[coolhehe]

Lets stop bad files from being shared on limewire!!!

[tresont]

you have my vote!

[mariephil]

you have my vote!

i downloaded one title, which was'nt! downloaded another,guess what ,yep it was'nt. just downloaded another and sounds like something way older and crackly (if you're old enough to remember)

[Only A Hobo]

Let us make more use of Bitzi ... Right click on a search result>advanced >look up with Bitzi.

Visit the site and learn how to download the bit collider and report badly titled and dangerous files ... No this does not cure the problem which is the title of the thread, but it is one of the things the community CAN do.

[some crazy guy]

hey everyone ! i just fell on a pornographic 30 minute video or so on the limewire and the little i saw was just horrible. i then wanted to re-look for the file and mark it as 'rubbish' (little trash can icon) but i didn't find it. is there some way one can ask administrators or anyone to find it and remove it ?

[Only A Hobo]

Do please read the previous posts and replies on this subject. Neither administrators or anyone else can remove it. I'm really not going there again.......

As for the junk filter, I solely use it for marking files of a certain sizes which are constantly appearing in results. It is not imo worth marking certain files which you particularly don't like whether they be child porn or objectionably awful music. You will find your self having a lot of legitimate results marked as junk. If you mark files as junk it only marks them on your machine, not on the network as a whole. There are authorities you can report the ips of those sharing cp, and in this thread and elsewhere this has been mentioned over and over.

The word filter is a useful tool ... although of course it can not filter falsely labelled files.

[tmac007]

The porn is very upseting, and as a parent I have spent hours blocking hosts and junking. But for some reason the the junk button does not show up on some content- so the host is blocked but I cant edit it- can someone instruct me on what to do?

[stupidlikeafox]

surely they can just use a simple filter of key words to not even have the search start/results with those words come through? even if you look up something not too bad but adult oriented you see some terrible file names!

[dr_pepper0011]

I agree. I as well as many others have fallen victim to incorrectly labeled files and have downloaded child porn. While this was unintentional and I deleted the files as soon as I realized, I am still at risk for getting prosecuted for possession of Child pornography. I think perhaps the Limewire developers should put in place some sort of filter or place in limewire where you can report the host of the file that you downloaded. Just my 2 cents. :D

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

You are in no danger if the file was incorrectly named.

Don't worry about reporting it. The U.S. government has just
started up a major program to fight child porn on all the P2P
networks. They'll be in a much better position to deal with it
because they can do so without legal risk.

[8600]

WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court upheld criminal penalties Monday for promoting child pornography. (Yahoo news)


The court, in a 7-2 decision, brushed aside concerns that the law could apply to mainstream movies that depict adolescent sex, classic literature or innocent e-mails that describe pictures of grandchildren.

The ruling upheld part of a 2003 law that also prohibits possession of child porn. It replaced an earlier law against child pornography that the court struck down as unconstitutional.

The law sets a five-year mandatory prison term for promoting, or pandering, child porn. It does not require that someone actually possess child pornography. Opponents have said the law could apply to movies like "Traffic" or "Titanic" that depict adolescent sex.

But Justice Antonin Scalia, in his opinion for the court, said the law does not cover movie sex. there is no "possibility that virtual child pornography or sex between youthful-looking adult actors might be covered by the term 'simulated sexual intercourse.'" Scalia said.

Likewise, Scalia said, First Amendment protections do not apply to "offers to provide or requests to obtain child pornography."

Justice David Souter, joined by Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, dissented. Souter said promotion of images that are not real children engaging in pornography still could be the basis for prosecution under the law. Possession of those images, on the other hand, may not be prosecuted, Souter said.

"I believe that maintaining the First Amendment protection of expression we have previously held to cover fake child pornography requires a limit to the law's criminalization of pandering proposals," Souter said.

I understand that there are several check points that must be met for prosecution. Does any one know what they are?

[8600]

Cite as: 553 U. S. ____ (2008) 1
Opinion of the Court

No. 06–694
UNITED STATES, PETITIONER v. MICHAEL
WILLIAMS
ON WRIT OF CERTIORARI TO THE UNITED STATES COURT OF
APPEALS FOR THE ELEVENTH CIRCUIT
[May 19, 2008]
JUSTICE SCALIA delivered the opinion of the Court.

Section 2252A(a)(3)(B) of Title 18, United States Code,criminalizes, in certain specified circumstances, the pandering
or solicitation of child pornography. This case presents the question whether that statute is over broad under the First Amendment or impermissibly vague under the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment.

THE LATEST ON THE CHILD PORN CAME OUT TODAY. BELOW IS THE ADDRESS TO READ COMPLETE REPORT. http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/07pdf/06-694.pdf

[john_mark_mcmahan]

Child models (Child porn)
It seems to me that there are two kinds of child models and three kinds of site. The first is the ones that are art, #2 is the ones that are trying tell the lie of r-a-p-e me, and #3 is the one you made legal animated child porn.
You must understand that when someone that is a rapist all he/she sees is someone to r-a-p-e and if one is an artist they try to see the art. Now probably 95 % of the child modals nude or not are trying to make money by not stimulating the brain by being art but by trying to stimulate the brain with the lie of r-a-p-e is love. You made #3 by taking the art out and made it legal to stimulate the mind with r-a-p-e. This tells me you do not have a clue about what is going on and you need to wake up. CHILRIN Child models

[Only A Hobo]

@john_mark_mcmahan

Please refrain from repeating this post all over the forums. One copy is more than enough.

[john_mark_mcmahan]

if i can not say to you the diferance between **** and art in a blog about porn you must be part of the ones that like to **** the art. plus iposted the blog twice becouse it was not there when i looked. did you move it becouse you did not understand what i was saying or just to be a jerk.

[Only A Hobo]

The post you made above (#176) was posted three times on the forums. We have removed two of those posts as they were identical ... end of story :confused: I know of forums where you would have been banned for the post you have just made (#178) ... We don't behave like that here, but but just lighten up please ..

It looks as if the post was moved to this thread .... I can't disagree with the moderator who did that. These forums are primarily for the use of beta testers of the Limewire application, but other subjects can be permitted. We just try to keep them neatly together. I suggest you don't make us think again about allowing them.

[john_mark_mcmahan]

The post you made above (#176) was posted three times on the forums. We have removed two of those posts as they were identical ... end of story :confused: I know of forums where you would have been banned for the post you have just made (#178) ... We don't behave like that here, but but just lighten up please ..

It looks as if the post was moved to this thread .... I can't disagree with the moderator who did that. These forums are primarily for the use of beta testers of the Limewire application, but other subjects can be permitted. We just try to keep them neatly together. I suggest you don't make us think again about allowing them.
i posted this in blogs and in hangout what was rong with that. and if you do not agree with what i said i undersand why you have so much child porn on your site. i know that most of the world beleaves that R-A-P-E is love and will allways be a rapest.the reason there was 3 post was becouse you moved the first ones and i thought i did something rong so i reposted it. you are the one with the child porn problum not me, im gust trying to help you understand what i see. but it seems that you are allright with the animated child R-A-P-E and you dont see the the art in the child. mybe i can not help this site in your problum.

[john_mark_mcmahan]

what measures does Limewire intend to take to prohibit the distribution of child pornography? I am aware of arguments against censoring p2p - eg. once you start, where do you draw the line. However, this is particularly nasty material which I suspect is easy to distribute via Limewire. A quick search for terms relating to child porn seems to yield quite a number of pictures and movies - is this not of concern to anyone at Limewire?
it seem to me that this site will do nothing but complane about us that complane about child porn. this site will not let me use the word r-a-p-e But child porn you will have no problum using thease worlds.

[8600]

Good Grief

Its not your ideas John, its your language and vivid references you used on the forum. We are just guests in another persons home each time we use the forum and the software. Please remember that all ages are using this software.
I appreciate someone monitoring the doorway.

If some disrespects my house i show them the door. Thanks HOBO

and the music played on

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

This site has nothing to do with what other people are sharing
from their own computers. The gnutella network is under
nobody's control but those people with child porn will
eventually be caught because the police in several countries
are starting to use the gnutella network to find and arrest them.
There is nothing you can do on this site to help with that.

This is a small forum so there's no reason to post multiple
times. Keep this conversation in one place so people can
keep up with the topic.

[john_mark_mcmahan]

Good Grief

Its not your ideas John, its your language and vivid references you used on the forum. We are just guests in another persons home each time we use the forum and the software. Please remember that all ages are using this software.
I appreciate someone monitoring the doorway.

If some disrespects my house i show them the door. Thanks HOBO

and the music played on
I under sand that, but i don’t know any other way to say it. I have bin kidnapped a long time ago and my girl was one of these modals and beating around the bush about it does no good. The world **** is the best world that fits the action. I will try to not get to graphic but the difference between the art of a child and the r-a-p-e has to be understood by you and you children so they can stay safe.

[john_mark_mcmahan]

i posted this in blogs and in hangout what was rong with that. and if you do not agree with what i said i undersand why you have so much child porn on your site. i know that most of the world beleaves that R-A-P-E is love and will allways be a rapest.the reason there was 3 post was becouse you moved the first ones and i thought i did something rong so i reposted it. you are the one with the child porn problum not me, im gust trying to help you understand what i see. but it seems that you are allright with the animated child R-A-P-E and you dont see the the art in the child. mybe i can not help this site in your problum.
Hobo Im sorry that what I said came out like I was saying you where in to the child porn. This is not what I was trying to say. What I was trying to say is that if it offends you for me to post my blogs you must be part of the problem even if you are not part of the porn problem. I don’t know you enough to say you are a pervert.

[Only A Hobo]

@john_mark_mcmahan: I find your posts difficult to follow because of the spelling and grammar. As a moderator on the forums I, and others, see most of what is posted here and we do our part to attempt to keep the forums clear of anything that is offensive, against the forum guidelines, or repeated over and over.

I have nowhere said that I objected to or was offended by what you posted in any way other than that I asked you not to repeat posts in different parts of the forums. I have on frequent occasions moved your posts to the Hangout forum and asked you not to post in the skinning forum or the video and blog forum etc. etc. I have attempted to steer you, with a certain amount of good nature on my part, to the art of posting in the Hangout forum. I have not personally deleted any post of yours other than double posts.

The title for the Blog and Video forum is "Join LimeWire's blog and video team as we plan, um, blogs and videos." It is a forum that has not really taken off and is not designed for posts such as you posted there. The Limewire team are not happy to find posts in forums that don't belong there, and I do my best to move them to where they should be. I hope that makes my position clear. As to the subject matter of this thread, I have nothing more constructive to say, so I shall not say it ;)

Oh by the way .. there is an edit button .. feel free to use it.

[RONALD22]

hey, i made the same mistake. yesterday i picked maybe 20 porn movie's random
for download, today i checked them out one turnded out to be illegal, prob the same you
are talking about, what do i do, i deleted the file and i would like to take action to prevent this again. im still in shock i feel like i did somthing wrong ....any advice?

[Only A Hobo]

Before downloading any video file, right click on it in the search window > advanced > look up with bitzi. You will get a report on the Bitzi website saying if the file is good. If there is no page for the file it means no one has sent a report on it. I only download videos with a good Bitzi report.

[john_mark_mcmahan]

I don’t think the real problem is child porn but the concept that r ape is love. For it is common to see children in swimsuits and almost all can see their beauty and this is OK. The real question is do you think of rapping them or any one. I don’t want to r ape you and I don’t want you to r ape me. I know most of you think this is a part or is love and if you think this I don’t want you around me, my wife, or my children. It seems to me people have sex looking for a feeling that you can’t find unless you stop. If you stop you will find that you can procreate you can make a child in love not with sex. NO PENATRATION once a virgin always a virgin and you don’t learn to r ape.

[john_mark_mcmahan]

It is amassing I can ran a search for (love) and it brought me to child porn. I think if I can run a search for child porn and come up with over 50 photos and moves that are bluntinly child pore lime wire can do better at policing there web. For I have been kicked out of every form because of what I say. the perverts complain about me so much and they have all there rapping porn so all can see. I will never stop the rapist form so stop rapping me.

[calivax_mud]

A small child was taken advantage off. I browsed his IP and wrote it down. I need to know what to do. I really do not know what to say im kinda of numb, shocked, and in a stage of rage I have never felt right now. if there is someone that I can give the IP to to shut this guy down please let me know. I didnt have the time or the stomach to wait this out so I was unable to read every post here. just please help me get rid of this guy.

show me where to go or who to give his IP to

[rogerisright]

U.S. President Thomas Jefferson:

"When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the
people fear the government, there is tyranny."


I am amazed and dissappointed to see that well meaning people who want only a nice clean place to do their p2p types of horse trading have their good intentions used by our govt and lawmakers to take away the few rights we still have. What do i mean? What I mean is this. The pendulum has swung back to far the other way. While no one is in favor of the idea of CP or the trading of CP... the laws that are currently on our books are ridiculous and invite aggressive prosecution of innocent people. It's its very politically correct to denounce all CP. The question is what is it? If our government can send you to prison for life or longer for merely possessing images that they consider to be Cp shouldn't there be a good definition of what that is somewhere??
Every time period in history has a crime or crimes that are called the "crimen exceptum" that is a crime, where simply being accused makes you guilty and ruined her life. One of the earliest examples would be the old witch witch trials... today it's CP... check out this example recently out of the state of Arizona, where the 54 year-old award winning school teacher named Morton Berger husband, , father of two children-teenagers an active in his community, paid his bills basically a normal, everyday guy. Except that his credit card number showed up among the records of a disbanded CP web site that was more than enough for the FBI to kick in his door.. brandishing automatic weapons. And flash hand grenades... and screaming and yelling obscenities, ordering his wife and kids at gunpoint to the ground and seized his computer. Further dredging of his hard drive. Turn up 20 images that were later considered to be CP. Mr. Berger goes to trial, and Mr. Berger is found guilty. What was the judge's sentence from which he has exhausted all appeals ...200 years with no good time ...no parole...no clemency or pardon available !!.... do you think that punishment fits the crime. There was no evidence that he produced any CP or traded it or sold it for profit... it was just there. Deep on his hard drive. Here's the linkhttp://attorneysonyourside.com/ARIZONAVBERGER.html we know it's even 1/10 of the files that claimed to be CP are real, that there is a huge amount of it out there ... I also know that newsreaders, peer-to-peer networks on autopilot, and mislabeled files can cause stuff like this to end up on anybody in the world's hard drive. Anybody with a open Internet connection is at risk of being the next Morton Berger would've asked Morton Morton Berger. A few years ago, what his opinion was about CP. He probably would have said something similar to some of the posters here think they can be put away long enough. Just thinking any other position, like I am now opened me up for ridicule and scorn. Folks, I am not defending Morton Berger at all... what I'm trying to do is point out that the pendulum has swung too far the wrong way, should Morton Berger have been punished.... yes. Is 200 years an appropriate penalty for the 20 images on his computer? Absolutely not. It's incredible, it's ridiculous it's absurd it shocks the conscience of anybody who hears about it. One day he's teaching school the next day. He's removed from his home, never to ever stepped foot in it again in his lifetime never to see his kids and grandkids grow old, never to make love to his wife never to breathe free air ever, ever again. Too much way to much. The greatest president, who ever lived, Ronald Reagan once said the governments duty is to protect us from each other it overstepped its bounds when it tries to protect us from ourselves I don't need the thought police, in my life. And I don't feel safer with Morton Berger in prison for 200 years. I'm more afraid of our government, who could imprison Morton Berger for 200 years for his crime and feel no remorse or not be shocked or outraged by it that I am people like Morton Berger.... when the government involves itself actively in our personal lives. censors , what we are able to read and hear tells us what to think how to think it and everything else... then we are no longer free... we no longer live in a democracy... we live totalitarian state, where the government monitors and punishes and decides what's best for everybody in this country was founded on the idea of everyone getting to decide that for themselves. It's OK to not like morton berger or his victimless crime but there are more people doing long prison sentences for CP than all of the victims of the actual images etc. combined ...

[mec]

If you live in the UK and your ISP has changed (as is the case with Telewest and Virgin Media) Then the details WILL be wrong.


... or if you're using a VPN proxy client as I am, the details will be wrong also. It shows my IP address and location to be halfway around the world from where I actually am.

[tm12345]

I accidently downloaded it but is currently deleted. I never had my limewire library on share anyways but how can the government tell if you have downloaded it, and if you were to get notified that you had some how long would it take. what information can they find out without stuff in your shared library

Im only 15 and im really freaking out about what will happen

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[rogerisright]

Dude reading your post and then reading the exceptionally accurate response that you no doubt discounted immediately made me stop and wonder how many other people out there just like you think they are somehow invisible sitting in their dark bedroom looking at their screen. You have no idea at all how badly the pendulum has over swung the other way on this issue. This is the crimen exceptum of our era and if you think for one second that they aren't serious as a heart attack then you need to turn off your computer and unplug it from the internet ... and only then with a clean new hard drive are you safe from the current witch hunt that is taking place in our country by the tough on crime ...throw away the key ...save the children people. Before you stop reading this post considers the following:
1. You donot have to even download a possible illegal image ...just clicking on a link that advertises an illegal image is enough for the feds to march into a judge's chambers and walk out with a search warrant for your computer. Oh but it gets better ...you could have simply clicked on a spam email with a link and a promise or statement of what you will find at the end of it ...and that link could have been sent to you in broadcast style hundreds of thousands at a time ...by the FBI!...http://www.attorneysonyourside.com/FBIEntrapment.html and while the link says entrapment and while the popular thinking says entrapment ...the federal judges who have seen these cases have all said ...no! ... read this link about a Phd Candidate who clicked on the link then had the feds at his door with guns out and flash grenades going off throwing him to the ground ...taking his computer and finding nothing and a jury of his peers finding him guilty of "Attempted possession" and where is he now? Finishing his Phd unmolested?? Nope ...Club Fed for 4 years getting molested..his life is ruined ...he is now a sex offender for the next 15 years will never get a decent job or have a normal place to live...and his teaching days are over because he can't be around anyone under 18! Thats right ...
2. Consider that 90% of the CP in the world today (on the net) is put there by the Govt.!

:""In our time, the police create crimes. And that is why the US prison population is twice the size of China's, an authoritarian country with a population four to five times larger than America’s. Americans are more at risk from the police than they are from criminals"

3. Consider the recent case of Arizona v. Morton Berger... Award winning High School teacher ..father of two great teens, husband for 30 some years, never had any run in's with the law for anything other than a speeding ticket ...56 yrs old ...he was curious one night like you and he leaves his credit card on the wrong website he was trying to see ...so for that part ..he did do the crime ...and he downloaded some images ...after the forensic people finished dredging his hard drive with a fine toothed comb they came up with 20 images that they could put back together well enough to be able to make out under 18 teens who were not engaged in any sexual acts but were posing naked in sexually provocative poses ...they charge him with those 20 counts ....a jury of his peers convict him of those same 20 counts ...do you know when the first time he will be eligible for release will be ...including from executive clemency and/or pardon (which he is statutorily barred from ever getting ...along with any type of good time opr early release...??? anybody?? ...200 years from the day he went into prison!!.. He appealed ...AZ Appeals court says ..no thats not cruel and unusual! AZ Supreme Court says ...Nope that doesn't shock the public conscience. (yeah right!) so it goes to the US Supremes and what happens ?? they refuse to even hear the case.. No kidding ...In 3 states he would not have even been prosecuted ...in AZ even he would be out if instead of downloading those 20 pics if he would have instead kidnapped an underage girl ...raped her and killed her...that would have gotten him back to his house and family in 20-30 years! Feel safer? ...
4. There are more people currently serving huge long sentences ...most of them had mandatory minimums of 5 to 10 years ...than the total number of underage victims they have been able to identify who were forced to participate in the making of these images. ..in the next 10 years that number is supposed to rise to 20 times (people in prison vs. victims) ..These people made a mistake ...guys like Morton Berger I am sure (with no criminal history at all) would have been cured of his curiosity doing 200 days (or less) Not 200 years without parole ...oh and there was no evidence that he ever sent them to anyone ...or was an actor in any of them ..or did anything except download them ...then delete them ...and then wash his drive ...which tells me he had already beaten himself up with a guilty conscience already ...
5. This crime is just like the Stalin show trials and just like the witch trials going way back in our history ...guilty simply by being accused ...and guilty of a crime that is so volatile that once you have been accused ...you have no friends in the world and nothing else you have done to make this world a better place matters at all to anyone ...and you can't even really defend yourself against the indefensible ...who in their right mind is going to defend what he did ?? ... everyone agrees that its an outrage ...everyone agrees that it needs to be stopped if possible ... and the people who produce these images should be punished severely ...but there is no one in any country today that is being punished worse than 20 images Morton Berger!



"One of the greatest delusions in the world is the hope that the evils in this world are to be cured by legislation". - Thomas Brackett Reed

6. The fight against this scourge is a Huge Huge bureaucracy ...quoting figures from an FBI report...

"there is now a huge bureaucracy, stuffed full of people, employed in the
‘industry’ and it would be politically very difficult to get rid of them. In addition to the estimated 50,000 police officers, there are also a similar number employed in the FBI, customs etc. And that is not counting the huge numbers of people in the charities and NGOs (there are 21 NGOs operating in Bangkok alone). Conservative estimates put the total number of people employed in the industry at over 250,000, with dozens more joining every month. Contrast that number with the 2,000 kids that have EVER been
abused to make child porn.

It is precisely for his reason - not the mealy mouthed excuses trotted out by the politicians and the rest of the bureaucracy about viewers becoming doers - that the laws have become increasingly more restrictive, creating an ever-widening circle of images, even text, that fall within the prohibition; and is the reason why simple possession has been ramped up to become a crime exceptum. There are just not enough people making the stuff to justify a bureaucracy of this size, so they had to find other targets to justify the
massive expense. Just like with drugs – which after all were only criminalized to provide employment for the army of people employed during Prohibition - a juggernaut has been created that the politicians will have problems stopping. Yet even now, with some political will, it’s not too late.


There is enough argument on this web site about the reality and extent of child pornography without repeating any of it here, but suppose we look at it from a different viewpoint. We have had moral panics before, each of them resulting in an inquisition of one kind or another. The best remembered are the original witch hunts, the demonizing of the Jews, the ‘crime against nature’ of homosexuality, the Reds under the beds, and, more
recently, the pedophile rings and satanic ritual abuse scares. It may be difficult to recall a time when there was not a moral panic and an accompanying inquisition about some designated perversion.

one result of the a priori bias that accompanies moral panics and the absolutism they engender is "therapeutic jurisprudence’. I see a version of this as ‘legislating for malice’. Courts routinely act not in the service of justice, but in maintaining and enforcing the ideology of society. What results is a society of fear and maliciousness, where neighbors spy and report on
each other, and where police engage in scams and entrapment, and prey on innocent people who may be ensnared by other means also.


Let’s look at the new threats to freedom and innocence brought about by the child pornography absolutism. I could have risked accusations of exaggeration had I said two years ago that no one who owned a PC was now safe. After first hand contact with people whose stories are told on this web site, I can now say with some confidence, and much sadness, that I believe that no man who owns a PC is safe, whether the threat be from teenaged sons and their friends, Trojan Horse intrusions, spams, set ups, viruses, accidental
access or misjudgment concerning what constitutes pornography. The result is that the Internet is being viewed as a threat rather than the great facilitator of the emancipation of the human imagination it should be.

If you have read this far and think that you are safe in front of your computer please know that if you are doing these types of things then the most iunsafe place for you to do it is in front of your computer...even if you download something by accident ...itsa strict liability world we live in ...and if it's there ...you are guilty ...and that includes pictures in data format that are stored without your knowledge and even if you did know and can prove that those files have never been opened ...you are still going to do 5 yrs ...no parole at club fed as a mandatory minimum...the precarious nature of any of the civil liberties we have left is way beyond being worse than you can imagine ...do some reading ...stop breaking the law because your life will be destroyed and it will be destroyed very thoroughly and expeditiously ...by well meaning men and women who could care less about your life or if it ends today ! ... after reading through abunch of whats actually happening and referencing the actual cases to make sure it wasn't just fear mongering ...I connect my computer to the internet twice a day for a few minutes to get my emails ...The system, is broke people ...and we are letyting it happen ...think this stuff happens to everyone else but you ...wait until the flash grenades go off at your house at 5am and you are introduced to what we call our criminal justice system ...then dont say you weren’t told

[atmo1974]

LOL! Amazing how any thread about child porn gets hundreds of views and responses from people that seemingly "Didnt Mean" to download it.

[27samantha]

I'm in shock...all I wanted to do was find a song with lyrics to do with a little baby - for my daughters new-born baby slide show, and some titles came up saying it was 'young kiddy porn' amongst other stuff - I felt sick! Obviously I didn't open anything. But I'm horrified - it's not long happened and I want to know whether the police do anything about it??? I seriously hope so, it's unacceptable and devastating...everyone seems more bothered about downloading indecent images of children (understandable when considering the trouble you can get into), but what about the children who are getting hurt? What's being done to stop these evil beasts. I'm so upset about this. These monsters should burn painfully in hell.:mad:

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

Most of the time it's just spam with extremely poor taste in filenames. Since gnutella is
easy to search and it doesn't hide IP addresses the police can easily find and arrest any
criminals who try to share illegal files like that, so you can be sure that the police have
already seen what you stumbled across and are either investigating a criminal or it was
just spam.

To cut down on the appearance of stuff like that, you can turn on the porn filter and
add more porn-related keywords to your keyword filter. Explore the options to see
where things go, and you can use my list (http://www3.telus.net/Aaron_Walkhouse/FilterKeyword.txt) to add more keywords to block.

[27samantha]

Thank you, it's reassuring to know that they won't get away with putting stuff like that on here - which was my main concern. And I've used the keyword filter as you suggested. Thanks.

[darknet]

Most of the time it's just spam with extremely poor taste in filenames. Since gnutella is
easy to search and it doesn't hide IP addresses the police can easily find and arrest any
criminals who try to share illegal files like that, so you can be sure that the police have
already seen what you stumbled across and are either investigating a criminal or it was
just spam.

To cut down on the appearance of stuff like that, you can turn on the porn filter and
add more porn-related keywords to your keyword filter. Explore the options to see
where things go, and you can use my list (http://www3.telus.net/Aaron_Walkhouse/FilterKeyword.txt) to add more keywords to block.
Unless they use a proxy relay such as I2P and IPhex.

Thank you, it's reassuring to know that they won't get away with putting stuff like that on here - which was my main concern. And I've used the keyword filter as you suggested. Thanks.
The truth is, a lot of those files are fake, yes. But there are others in foreign countries where prosecution isn't as easy, or using an anon client such as IPhex, or even through the use of a botnet (network of hijacked computers).

In the end, if it were possible to bring down the CP from Gnutella (note I didn't say Limewire, as Limewire is merely a Gnutella client), then there wouldn't be all those high bandwidth malware files either, since botnets make them both 100% unstoppable.

If you want to look at the "normal" internet; the so-called "web," then yes, child pornography has been almost completely eradicated. And indeed, even Gnutella is mostly just mislabled files. However, if one looks further, they will see that in some of the more underground sections of the internet, there are highly encrypted mixnets that use distributed datastores along with onion or garlic routing (onion routing, by the way, was developed by the military, and then expanded to obfuscate file fragments even more with garlic routing). Such networks are immune to censorship, and it would be all but impossible to prove who or what uploaded or downloaded a file to them.

Due to the nature of the situation it would be impossible to stop this method of distribution without a complete collapse of individual freedom. (encryption would have to be made illegal and plausible deniability revoked)

In light of all this, and the fact that you can very easily be prosecuted, I would say your best course of action would be to ignore it and add more filter words if it bothers you.

-Darknet

[flinch67]

Just 2 points. Limewire cannot control what is on the network. Yes words and titles can be filtered, but much of this filth comes under innocent miss-titles.

I totally agree with you. But I do have a question: Why would anyone want to put images or videos of this kind with innocent titles? If these people want this kind of material, isn't it going to either make their searches more difficult, as anything could be misleading, or make people stop using Limewire altogether because they don't trust it to find what they want any more.

[Jake28]

This goes for everyone - if you use LimeWire 5 you will find a filtering option in Tools -> Options -> Security that will allow you to filter adult content in search results. That should help you out. Also filtering file extensions like any picture extensions or video extensions should get rid of the majority of those results. A lot of the junk is either a .rar or .zip so you could filter those extensions too.

If you encounter anything, just filter the keywords or right-click on a file that is found in the search results, and select Mark as spam.

Overall, I hardly ever encounter any kind of obscene material on LimeWire 5, so I would recommend that if you don't already have it.

LimeWire 4 also has a filter, as shown in Lord of the Rings post below. :)

[Lord of the Rings]

This goes for everyone - if you want you could get LimeWire 5 and you will find a filtering option in Tools -> Options -> Security that will allow you to filter adult content in search results. That should help you out. Also filtering file extensions like any picture extensions or video extensions should get rid of the majority of those results. A lot of the junk is either a .rar or .zip so you could filter those extensions too.
You can filter such out in any version of LW. :) As shown here http://www.gnutellaforums.com/154163-post17.html so you can pick & choose which words & extensions to add. It includes words used for both porn & child porn, some of them initials representing what they really mean. That's a handy list to have because it also helps prevent some common spam. Point #1, 3 & 4 here is also relevant for accurate results: How to find music (http://www.gnutellaforums.com/showthread.php?t=56904)

[Jake28]

Yeah I just realized that. :rolleyes:

Overall, LimeWire 5 is more safer imo. :cool:

[black tangent]

I agree, this needs to be dealt with. I have been having an issue where files have been downloaded that I havent even downloaded. They appear in my library after a limewire session but I have no idea how they got there. Im worried that porn could be downloaded and I could get in trouble for it without even knowing about it.

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

If files are definitely appearing then you may have a trojan.
They always replicate themselves and may download more
software or bugged media files but none have ever been
found to download anything else.

If you were downloading files but some filenames weren't
what you were expecting, check to see if they actually
are what you tried to download. If you downloaded them
because you saw a different filename on the file when you
started the download then it is likely they are trojans or
spam that is given different names to match search terms.

[brian2417]

yea i noticed alot of people accidentally download this sickening content and i believe you i almost did but canceled the download before it was finished use file shredder and shred free space with the guttman method

[wtf95ify]

this is absolutely right, about a week ago i tried to download a song. i have downloaded many songs off lime wire and have had no problems. but when i tried to download this particular song video it came up with child porn :O so i deleted it quickly and have not downloaded any videos since but this kind of ting is sick and here's what i think limewire should do: get a few moderators and they have the power to delete the offending file plus ban the user... if limewire can do this child porn will be permanently out of limewire. what does everyone think of this idea? (if it would actually work)

[your nana]

this is absolutely right, about a week ago i tried to download a song. i have downloaded many songs off lime wire and have had no problems. but when i tried to download this particular song video it came up with child porn :O so i deleted it quickly and have not downloaded any videos since but this kind of ting is sick and here's what i think limewire should do: get a few moderators and they have the power to delete the offending file plus ban the user... if limewire can do this child porn will be permanently out of limewire. what does everyone think of this idea? (if it would actually work)

That maybe an idea although not every country in the world has laws against child porn, or their laws are more laxed and authorities cannot do anything about it. I have heard for example that china doesn't have any laws to stop the possession of child porn.

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

It can't be done, even if it was made legal.

[your nana]

It can't be done, even if it was made legal.

Really? because blocking IP address is not uncommon with P2P sharing read below:

Banning the user is the same as adding them to the blocked IP list.

LimeWire automatically receives a cryptographically signed file, called simpp.xml, containing an IP block list. Blocking certain IPs has become commonplace and even considered essential in P2P filesharing, however, unlike other clients which download and use publicly shared lists at the direction of the user, LimeWire (the corporation) has exclusive control over the list that it uses. Because of the signing, no one else is allowed to send the list. Furthermore, there is nothing configurable about the choice of block list nor is there anyway for a non-technical user to examine its contents.[10]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LimeWire#Criticism

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

Firstly, it is impossible to determine who actually has such content
without downloading and inspecting it, which is illegal just about everywhere.
That's why it is illegal.

Secondly, it is impossible to find and block everybody who has files with
suspicious words in the filenames because there are a lot of mislabelled files
and way too many people who share them. The common blocklist cannot be
made large enough to block that many IP addresses.
That's why it is impossible.

I do make my own, much larger [Hostiles List] (http://www.technutopia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=240) but it is optional and not all people use it.

[miserablemad]

I am amazed that this thread is still alive... This has been said a hundred time over:
1) Limewire DOES not condone child pornography and did not intend for the program to be used in such manner.
2) Blocking the IP address' are a good idea, if you can block every IP address that has CP associated with it AND you can keep an updated list. More-then-likely most peoples IP's are dynamic, meaning they change.
3) Always preview the files before a complete download.
4) Look for keywords that might mean "CP". UrbanDictionary is a good source.
5) If you download it, DELETE IT. That is what the government wants.

[megaluk1923]

Indeed its a worrisome subject,but i am curious ,if lets say someone downloaded CP accidentally
or visited some illegal websites and he replaced the hard-drive a few days/months/years later,will he still be in danger of being prosecuted??
I mean since most of the stories i read always seem to require the possesion of these illegal files to be prosecuted.

I am also curious so these sting operations only is valid to the country that they take action against at??
for example canada,USA,Europe,British.
So if someone from another country lets say Thailand/malaysia/singapore/japan accidentally downloaded these files will they be in risk of prosecution?

I am strongly against those sinful criminals out there.and i wish that they should be prosecuted.

[UltimBox]

simple answer. DON'T DOWNLOAD PORN VIA LIMEWIRE DUMMY. nerds are protagonizing Limewire and exploting this network. find other ways, i'm sure there are millions of alternative sites and links you can find. Google is your friend.

and what's the big deal about child porn? the people who make it and who watch it will get their cocks burned off in hell anyway. unless you're doing something to stop them in actuality, you're just wasting your time worrying.

besides that, why the **** come to a Limewire site to discuss child pornography? to give pedophiles a new place to romp? people are getting dumber, i swear.

anyways, what's up with the p2p software share? anyone know of a good forum to discuss p2p sharing that doesn't have anything to do with hentai or naked boobs?

(repost, as this is the more popular thread)

[Lord of the Rings]

You may wish to add certain word filters to LW. :)

Check these URL links for suggestions of what to add to LW's filters & how to search for what you want:

1. Direct instructions to eliminate porn & other marketing junk from results (http://www.gnutellaforums.com/154163-post17.html)

2. How to find music (also applies to videos) :) (http://www.gnutellaforums.com/limewire-tips-tricks/56904-how-find-music.html)