4.15.2 Right click problem

[Paulb9]

Often, when I click on a search tab to "get more results" I instead get the the dropdown list for an individual selection. So far the only remedy I have found is to colse Limewire and start over.

[Sam]

There's no ability to 'Get More Results' from right-clicking an individual item?

[scyriacus]

when there are previous search results, i can right click and choose 'repeat' or 'more results'. but when the search did not return any hits, right click is not available and i have to close this search and retype the search phrase (bit boring, but at least there is the mru feature)

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

When a search is showing and one of the individual items is highlighted, a
right-click on the search tab shows the context menu for that item instead of
for the tab. Clearing the highlight by clicking on open space below the items clears
up this behaviour.

That's a bug. Nice catch, Paul. ;]

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

scyriacus, I can't reproduce your problem on 4.15.5 in WinXP.
What versions of LW, Java and OS are you using, and provide
step-by-step instructions so we can make it happen on our computers too.

[Sam]

That's actually really old behavior (that it shows the context menu for the item selected). Do you think it's expected, or unexpected to work that way? I'd hate to change the existing behavior if people have come to expect it.

[hopalong]

That's actually really old behavior (that it shows the context menu for the item selected). Do you think it's expected, or unexpected to work that way? I'd hate to change the existing behavior if people have come to expect it.

The life is funny, see http://www.limewire.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3101

You've changed a really old behavior-the menu was always the same, before 4.15.0. Now depending on where I make a right click, is a search result line selected or not, the menu changes, and one must think, watch the menu and his hand, where to click for a "search more" or other menu item.
The compatibility got injured already, when "search more" got into a submenu.

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

It's always unexpected to show a context menu for a different element than that you
clicked on. It's even more unexpected when it depends on the highlight of an item
somewhere else on the screen. This is certainly not something we should get used to. ;]

[Sam]

Ya, things can be contradictary sometimes.

We're always willing to go with whatever the "best" behavior is, generally regardless of past behavior. Long-standing past behavior of course will influence decisions, though.

If we change clicking on something other than the selected item to not show any relation to that item, it will fix all complaints (but completely break away from all old behavior)... yes?

[scyriacus]

scyriacus, I can't reproduce your problem on 4.15.5 in WinXP.
What versions of LW, Java and OS are you using, and provide
step-by-step instructions so we can make it happen on our computers too.

aaron, have 4.15.5, win xp and java 1.6. it's regular and reproducable! any search with at least 1 hit works fine. any search with (0) doesn't support right click at all. have to close (x) and retype the search-phrase, just a bit uncomfortable, coz i use to search 4 rare items over and over, till they are found (could that not be done automatically, untill there's at least 1 hit?)

[hopalong]

If we change clicking on something other than the selected item to not show any relation to that item, it will fix all complaints (but completely break away from all old behavior)... yes?
It won't fix all complaints, because one have to make "more search" in other place in the menu, but will be better than now!

[scyriacus]

It won't fix all complaints, because one have to make "more search" in other place in the menu, but will be better than now!

pls see it from the users side: if i start a search, i want 2 find something other than spam. is there any way to block the spammers (which should be well known, coz they are all the same, using the same dirty tricks and files)?
where do u search and why u stop? could it be possible to continue for a while or until the first 'no spam' is hit? i sit here for hours to repeat and repeat and repeat just to find eventually the one pearl under 99,9% BS. why u not initialize a auto-search 4 each incomplete file every other hour? i usually leave my system online for 24h. i often download files which are not shown in search or search shows files which in turn are not downloaded. I believe this to be the weakest point in limewire......

[Sam]

4.16.1 should fix this.

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

aaron, have 4.15.5, win xp and java 1.6. it's regular and reproducable! any search with at least 1 hit works fine. any search with (0) doesn't support right click at all. have to close (x) and retype the search-phrase, just a bit uncomfortable, coz i use to search 4 rare items over and over, till they are found (could that not be done automatically, untill there's at least 1 hit?)We have to be very careful about that because even a slight change there is multipled
by the number of users online.

I still have Java 5.0.100.3 - Version 1.5.0 (build 1.5.0_10-b03), so that may be a factor.
I assume you are clicking on the tab itself, which may indicate that the change in right-click
behaviour we are looking at here is the same issue.

I'll try 4.16 next, as soon as I get a break in uploads.

[scyriacus]

We have to be very careful about that because even a slight change there is multipled by the number of users online.
I still have Java 5.0.100.3 - Version 1.5.0 (build 1.5.0_10-b03), so that may be a factor.
I assume you are clicking on the tab itself, which may indicate that the change in right-click behaviour we are looking at here is the same issue.
I'll try 4.16 next, as soon as I get a break in uploads.

dear aaron,
if i search eg 'xyz' and i get hits, these r diplayed in the seach field under the xyz tab and the number of hits is displayed like (n). in this case i can rightclick at the tab or anywhere in the search field and have option 'Search More'. but if the search returns no hits, ie 'blank' or (0), than right click is not available, neither in the search field nor on the tab. is that clear now and when is 4.16 available?
suggestions:
1.) coz this is a frequent use, why not place a 'more' and a 'repeat' button instead of 'stop search', which i actually NEVER use, coz ALL searches stop after a few seconds anyway or could easily be achieved thru closing the tab.
2.) u mention the 'users online'. kazaa eg displayed this number of users. pls consider doing the same in limewire ... would be great!
3.) would be nice to have the users ip directly in the search results (need not browse host to find out) this would also help to identify those bloody spammers quickly, which obviously never allow to browse their hosts.

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

dear aaron,
if i search eg 'xyz' and i get hits, these r diplayed in the seach field under the xyz tab and the number of hits is displayed like (n). in this case i can rightclick at the tab or anywhere in the search field and have option 'Search More'. but if the search returns no hits, ie 'blank' or (0), than right click is not available, neither in the search field nor on the tab. is that clear now and when is 4.16 available?
Now. Go to Download (http://www.limewire.com/english/content/download/) to get it.
suggestions:
1.) coz this is a frequent use, why not place a 'more' and a 'repeat' button instead of 'stop search', which i actually NEVER use, coz ALL searches stop after a few seconds anyway or could easily be achieved thru closing the tab. Yes, and Bitzi too. It seems that nearly nobody knows this extremely valuable tool is available.
2.) u mention the 'users online'. kazaa eg displayed this number of users. pls consider doing the same in limewire ... would be great!It's nearly impossible to get such a statistic on gnutella because it is completely
decentralized, unlike Kazaa, which had a more centralized structure.
3.) would be nice to have the users ip directly in the search results (need not browse host to find out) this would also help to identify those bloody spammers quickly, which obviously never allow to browse their hosts.
You can enable the Location column and then hover the mouse pointer over it, but
unfortunately the popup tooltip vanishes far too quickly. What we really need is an
expansion icon in the "#" column, the typical plus sign in a box. A click on that
would expand the item into one line for each source with all the info associated
with each source. With that simple feature, LimeWire users would be well
equipped to spot the fakes and malware out there. Right now we have virtually no
defence other than the Bitzi option which is buried in a context submenu that
virtually nobody knows about.

A GUID column is also desperately needed. It would reveal the largest mass
abusers of gnutella who have large numbers of fakes and servers.

[scyriacus]

dear aaron, thx for the download link, but it doesn't download 4.16.1.on ie!
as soon as i promise, "that i don't use limewire.....", i'm stalled in the next page where i would like to choose win xp: javascript: void(0)(http://www.limewire.com/download/version.php), but nothing happens?
i've then tried firefox, which was even more weird clicking xp leads to http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireWinCNET, offering me 4.14.12 from cnet (http://www.download.com/LimeWire/3000-2166-10051892.html?part=dl-limewire&subj=dl&tag=button). do u ever try out ur suggested links?

[scyriacus]

for 1.)
i cannot see, what the placement of a 'more' and 'repeat search' button instead of 'stop search' has to do with bizzi????
i admit, that bizzi is helpfull with huge and licensed files, but in my (our?) case the spam is easily detected with the naked eye, eg mp3-119.0 KB-no bitrate or mpg-277.0 KB, all same name=my search argument and all same location. you're joking when you wanna make me believe that bizzi can help me with THOSE in any way......

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

dear aaron, thx for the download link, but it doesn't download 4.16.1.on ie!
as soon as i promise, "that i don't use limewire.....", i'm stalled in the next page where i would like to choose win xp: javascript: void(0)(http://www.limewire.com/download/version.php), but nothing happens?
i've then tried firefox, which was even more weird clicking xp leads to http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireWinCNET, offering me 4.14.12 from cnet (http://www.download.com/LimeWire/3000-2166-10051892.html?part=dl-limewire&subj=dl&tag=button). do u ever try out ur suggested links?
I thought it was just me that had trouble with that. I guess something really did go wrong with the website. I'll send you a direct link in a PM.

[scyriacus]

for 2.) is it impossible or NEARLY impossible? if u can search and find individual files and users, u could easily display the sum of all files and users logged in to gnutella at any one time......or not? or WHY not?

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

for 1.)
i cannot see, what the placement of a 'more' and 'repeat search' button instead of 'stop search' has to do with bizzi????
i admit, that bizzi is helpfull with huge and licensed files, but in my (our?) case the spam is easily detected with the naked eye, eg mp3-119.0 KB-no bitrate or mpg-277.0 KB, all same name=my search argument and all same location. you're joking when you wanna make me believe that bizzi can help me with THOSE in any way......Try it. I dare you. :p
Most, if not all, of those files have been identified and added to Bitzi.

[scyriacus]

for 3.) thx a lot for the hint 'bout location. would be great to enable this by default, i had to do it again and again for every single search. my question: why the hell is the same file at the same location once 5* and 0% junk and next line junk 100%????? same junk-file!

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

for 2.) is it impossible or NEARLY impossible? if u can search and find individual files and users, u could easily display the sum of all files and users logged in to gnutella at any one time......or not? or WHY not?Gnutella is decentralized, very large and constantly changing as users come and go.
It is literally impossible to get an accurate number, so all you can do is guess.

[scyriacus]

******, aaron, that doesn't help the poor searcher, i want this crap blocked from my search results by any means, i know its junk, i dont need bizzi for that. that junk even blocks the real stuff, i am looking for a unique file from my friends, but cant find it, only junk! thats frustrating and will kill limewire one fine (?) day..........the only way ur search seems to function is on licensed material???????? thats pretty poor

[scyriacus]

a guess from ur people would be a million times better than from each and every single user..... for large and constantly changing numbers i would suggest the use of computers LOL

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

or 3.) thx a lot for the hint 'bout location. would be great to enable this by default, i had to do it again and again for every single search. my question: why the hell is the same file at the same location once 5* and 0% junk and next line junk 100%????? same junk-file!They are different or they would be on the same line.

******, aaron, that doesn't help the poor searcher, i want this crap blocked from my search results by any means, i know its junk, i dont need bizzi for that. that junk even blocks the real stuff, i am looking for a unique file from my friends, but cant find it, only junk! thats frustrating and will kill limewire one fine (?) day..........the only way ur search seems to function is on licensed material???????? thats pretty poor
What is "ur search"? If you mean an ordinary search with LimeWire, there's not
much you can do other than to get familiar with your filtering options. If you mean
Bitzi, most or all of the spam, malware and fakes have been identified and added to
that database as well as the licensed material,

To block junk in LimeWire, get acquainted with the junk filter controls. You can
make it stricter with a slider and set it to hide the junk instead of showing it.
It sounds like you set it to the permissive side of the scale and set it to show the
junk instead.

If you want a unique file from your friends get their IP address and use Direct
Connect instead of a search. A search can never reach everybody on the network.

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

a guess from ur people would be a million times better than from each and every single user..... for large and constantly changing numbers i would suggest the use of computers LOLIrrelevant. No computer is capable of simultaneously connecting to everybody at
once, even on the most expensive fibre optic connection. The only alternative is to
use a whole building full of crawlers, which would still be inaccurate and far too
expensive to try.

[scyriacus]

how dare u 2 dare me, i'm pretty experienced in networking, but i'm 59 years now and it has been more than 30 years ago, that we implemented the first x.25 paket switching networks. now it's time to pass the torch to the young ones like u...................no offence!

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

I'm not as young as you assume. http://www3.telus.net/Aaron_Walkhouse/tongue3.gif

[scyriacus]

on 'What's New' u pretend to know files 'recently been added to the network' but you deny to know the rest? how can you know 'recently added' without knowing previously present???? added to what? recently when? eg if you know, there are 2 files at 10h and 3 files at 11h, only then you know, that 1 file was recently (within the last hour) added, or else? i rarely use this feature, coz it shows mostly 'don't know what u'r looking for' items and i always know, what i'm looking 4. your 'what's new' feature delivers 99% copyright infringements and absolutely no spam! (0%) how do you do that???
what a miracle! when i search for my own name 'stephan' again: no spam, but plenty copyrighted (gwen stephanie, stephanie mills), my last name: all spam, no real hit...how do THEY do that? why don't you explain the search-process in detail once and for all and forever........

[Sam]

Please try and get this discussion back on topic, or move it somewhere more appropriate.

Thanks.

[scyriacus]

congratulations, just installed 4.16.1 and the right click problem seems to be solved (changed a bit from before but just don't no if to the better or worse). keep u informed....