Accidentally Download CP - BEWARE!

[no-more-limewire]

I downloaded limewire several years ago so that I could obtain graphics software for learning purposes. I also used it from time-to-time to download some music files. Limewire went unused on my computer for a couple years but I recently opened it up. As ashamed as I am to say, I was looking to download some porn images ... the legal kind!

I've never been much for porn but in the past year, my physical relationship with my wife has dwindled. So the options I was left with was to cheat or self-gratification. I chose the latter but over time even that became boring. So I sought out some visual stimulation over the Internet, but I ran into a problem of viruses and spyware so I opted to check out limewire.

I started of looking at a few images using some very specific search criteria just to see the quality of what I was getting. After downloading a few, I was getting impatient with the slow downloads. So I made a big dumb *** mistake. Call it naivety or simply lack of experience using limewire.

Because I am an efficient type of person by nature, I decided to do a few broad searches, select multiple files and leave it to download for a while and come back later. HUGE MISTAKE! I launched 3 search queries using the terms "porn", "nude" and "XXX". I sorted them by bandwidth and selected to top 100 or so from each query. I didn't even bother to look at the file names.

I clicked the download button and walked away. I came back a few hours later to see what had happened and found about 100 images had downloaded successfully. I killed all downloads that were either in progress, waiting in position, etc. Went to my download folder an began opening up the images. The first couple were fine although one was a not-so-attractive female. However about the 5th image was ... you guessed it ... a completely nude girl that looked about 12 years old. Needless to say I was shocked and immediately deleted the image. A little rattled by what I just saw, I used the preview program on my computer to quickly click through the images and I was completely taken aback by what I saw. About ever 3rd or 4th image was CP.

I got that "OH CRAP" feeling in the pit of my stomach. Of course every possible disastrous scenario ran through my head in a matter of seconds. I just knew FBI was going to knock on my door any second now.

Once I gathered my thoughts and came to the realization that these files had been sitting in my shared folder for several hours, I panicked and deleted them all without even viewing the rest.

I then proceeded to uninstall limewire and removed any trace that limewire had ever been on my computer or as much as I could. I then did a search of my computer's HD using *.jpg. I found remnants of more images in an obscure folder called "Incomplete" that was not removed during the uninstall. After getting that "OH CRAP" feeling again, I realized that getting rid of these images might be a little more difficult than I thought. I spent the next few hours deleting anything and everything that had to do with limewire, the images, and even went into my registry.

I knew from my computer knowledge that when you delete things off your computer, it really is not "deleted." The space is simply reclaimed as free space and the residual data remains intact until it is over-written by more data. I sought out and download a program that supposedly cleans all free space making it unrecoverable.

So was this enough? Who knows! I am still very paranoid considering this happened only a few days ago.

You may be wondering by this point, why didn't I contact the authorities? Because one, I was embarrassed for having to resort to downloading porn on the internet to get my jollies and the obvious stigma related to that. Two, I did not want my wife to know that I had downloaded porn legal or otherwise. And three, there is a witch hunt mentality in this country on child predators and after reading some of the stories of people busted for "accidentally" downloading CP I opted not to report it.

If there were a way to anonymously report it then I likely would but even then, I'm not sure it would do any good because I didn't see where or from whom these images were downloaded. I went to the cyber tip line for the Center for missing and exploited children and their tip form asked for my name, address, and knowing the government, they would likely grab my IP address and track me down anyway. At this point they would probably get me on distruction of evidence or something stupid like that.

This is no doubt a disgusting world but to get involved would leave myself open to scrutiny by not only law enforcement but also by my family and peers.

I feel like the only option is to do my best at creating as much distance between myself and this incident as possible and hope that it does not come back to haunt me and possibly ruin my life.

What would you do?

I will never use limewire or any other P2P program again simply because the risk involved. Most of what is available for download is illegal anyway be it CP, music, movies, or software. Needless to say, my school of thought on the idea that someone could accidentally download CP has changed and the lessons learned are plenty.

I would like to here other thoughts on this situation. Should I go to law enforcement?

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

No. They won't be interested at all. They wouldn't want to arrest you for it, and you
can't help them track it down anymore since you deleted everything.

Defrag your disk to scrub out the remnants of data and don't go to any kind of P2P
for porn anymore because it's mostly crap or spam.

[8600]

porn porn porn

how we do morn

its all the same

it brings nothing but pain

[marblezilla]

No big sweat.

There are only 2 places you'll find anything you downloaded. Your shared folder (or wherever you send your downloads) and as you found out, the Incomplete folder. When you installed, It probably left that folder there cause it didn't want to erase something you downloaded, wanted to save, and might have left in there inadvertently.

Unless you downloaded a Trojan/virus, the only harm done was to your brain on seeing a naughty pic. Since it didn't make you want to wear a raincoat during a summer heatwave, your still a healthy hetero with fully functioning morals.

As long as your mother-in-law couldn't access your files using Remote Desktop, you will still get a Fruitcake and some Old Spice aftershave at Christmas.:eek:

In the future, I'd set up limewire to download to a separate folder, mine is called Downloads. It's in my Limewire program folder. Set your CPU so downloaded files & Partial downloaded files aren't shared. This way, you can check out your downloads for content, correctness and class. No one can see it till you see it and decide on the proper way to handle it.

Don't worry about guilt over wanting to view, men have been admiring the female form for a looong time.:rolleyes:

[ophelia87]

I think a lot of posts have been made about similar situations. It has left people scared to death about police knocking at their doors with arrest warrants. Like most of the admin's have continously mentioned you need to be aware of what you are downloading, about a month ago I ran into slightly different but similar situation( I wasnt sharing any files, but a few downloaded and i was able to stop some others that had started, I don't know for sure if they were..but they had names that made me not even second guess what they could be). I was scared shitless, I still am a bit worried, but its been a month and nothing so far. I am curious if anyone.. especially people who have posted.. from like months or years ago with similar stories if they have had anything happen to them?
Its a scary situation, and we as users have to be more cautious about what we download.
In turn I have uninstalled Limewire, not because I think Limewire sucks, but because for my own sanity I couldnt bare to have another misfortune. I really liked using Limewire for music downloads mainly.
Anyways just another word of caution for all users out there. Don't make mistakes, and read what others post about filters etc.
I wish I had even known about this site.. or any of that crap before it happened to me. But thats how the cookie crumbled.
Be aware and be safe in your downloads and searches.
Any advice to put the rest of my somewhat settled mind at ease.. and for others who have experienced similar situations?

[marblezilla]

If the cookie crumbled, make crumb-cake....or bake another batch of cookies.

With a good Hostile List & filter-blocking for unwanted file extentions, the percentage of Crud you will have to sift thru will be greatly lessened.

Filter-blocking porn-type words as a part of the file-name will save you from opening unwanted porn, but at least those files are honest in whats inside them. We'll, honest as long as it's a nudie JPG and not hidden Malware.

It never hurts to set your folder options to "see hidden and system folders". Just take care on deleting in your windows folder. Also unchecking the "hide known file extensions" will let you see what type of file it is. Sometimes someone will put a file extension as part of the name. Example, the next file name looks wrong, but it's a legit name.

Not_Porn.jpg.exe ..... With the .exe extension normally hidden, all you'll see is Not_Porn.jpg.:eek:

Rem, people can change the name of the extension very easily. If you do, Win warns you that doing so might make this file unusable. It will then have a new looking icon, one that looks like that type of file with that extension.

[ophelia87]

thanks for that info. I am quite aware now of all the possible dangers you COULD encounter. I deleted all that crud within minutes of it even downloading (fast download speed). I just felt it necessary to remove any remnants of Limewire, just for me. I also like to use Utorrent a lot anyways.
My boyfriend was really helpful with it all and just reformatted my computer, I needed to do so anyways I hadn't in about two years!
All I was saying before was I actually had no knowledge about filters etc until I read posts on these forums. I think these forums are good, help users educate themselves before installing or using programs like Limewire etc. Otherwise I would have never known, I know that sounds naive or whatever, but I just downloaded Limewire like two and half years ago using it whenever I wanted a song, not thinking a thing about some of the dangers associated with it (virus's etc)
Hopefully more people read them so they dont encounter what a lot of people have.

[hivguy]

I too would like to hear from others who have accidentally downloaded material that they didn't want. I would like to hear what happenrd to them. I know a lot of people new to limewire aren't aware of the potential dangers associated with these downloads whether viruses or sick child porn. I'm aware limewire can't censor this but wish you could somehow especially for the new people. The law in Canada does allow for people to be 16 yrs. old however I personally think that's still too young to be having sex with an adult. I personally feel that the law should be the same as the U.S. at least 18 yrs. old.

[skribz]

I think a lot of posts have been made about similar situations. It has left people scared to death about police knocking at their doors with arrest warrants. Like most of the admin's have continously mentioned you need to be aware of what you are downloading, about a month ago I ran into slightly different but similar situation( I wasnt sharing any files, but a few downloaded and i was able to stop some others that had started, I don't know for sure if they were..but they had names that made me not even second guess what they could be). I was scared shitless, I still am a bit worried, but its been a month and nothing so far. I am curious if anyone.. especially people who have posted.. from like months or years ago with similar stories if they have had anything happen to them?
Its a scary situation, and we as users have to be more cautious about what we download.
In turn I have uninstalled Limewire, not because I think Limewire sucks, but because for my own sanity I couldnt bare to have another misfortune. I really liked using Limewire for music downloads mainly.
Anyways just another word of caution for all users out there. Don't make mistakes, and read what others post about filters etc.
I wish I had even known about this site.. or any of that crap before it happened to me. But thats how the cookie crumbled.
Be aware and be safe in your downloads and searches.
Any advice to put the rest of my somewhat settled mind at ease.. and for others who have experienced similar situations?

I too would like to hear updates. Because last month I was downloading what I thought was a legal adult movies and when I previewed them halfway through I saw it was kp. Needless to say I deleted them but everything I've read here has me extremely scared and paranoid. I keep hearing the only way to truly rid something from your hd is to destroy the drive itself. I was in the market for a new computer anyway and from all I've read I'm tempted to just destroy this one and go ahead and get a new one. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

[ophelia87]

I don't think you should destroy your entire harddrive, I think thats being a little paranoid. AND if for any random reason something did happen, which to the best of my knowledge wouldn't it might look more suspicious that you tried to destroy it. However, a lot of people do when getting a new computer due to other getting a hold of information still left on your harddrive.
If you delete the stuff out of recycle and do not the quick version of reformatting it should suffice. It rids any trace of unwanted files off of your harddrive, yes not completely, BUT if they were to take your harddrive in the event of seizing your computer they would find slight traces, BUT for them to even seize your computer and physically take your harddrive apart they would need WAY more probable cause then a couple of accidental downloads which were deleted almost immediately.
Unless you were constantly downloading and more importantly UPLOADING illegal pornography, then you might have cause to worry about being on the police's "radar".
It is highly unlikely that at that exact moment that you downloaded something accidentally, the police were like "yep this guy downloaded some stuff lets get him". These cases are very serious, but require investigation before criminal charges are even laid.
I clearly am not the law and I dont know for sure, but after talking and reading extensively about certain cases, more than the majority of the time they would investigate any allegations or suspicions before coming to your house or something.
I might be talking out my ***, but I guess some of if is personal "opinion" i suppose. My father works as a Correctional Officer, so I like to think I have some insight after lots of conversations etc.
This is not to say that this is how it is, but we as users have to be very careful and aware of what we download. Thanks to these forums I hope it informs people of possible dangers when downloading videos etc. Its a risk you take but downloading videos and porn. Unfair yes, but a reality. Be safe and user conscious.
(long post sorry)

[Only A Hobo]

Good post Ophelia ... one of the few on the subjet I have read from start to end recently :)

[skribz]

I don't think you should destroy your entire harddrive, I think thats being a little paranoid. AND if for any random reason something did happen, which to the best of my knowledge wouldn't it might look more suspicious that you tried to destroy it. However, a lot of people do when getting a new computer due to other getting a hold of information still left on your harddrive.
If you delete the stuff out of recycle and do not the quick version of reformatting it should suffice. It rids any trace of unwanted files off of your harddrive, yes not completely, BUT if they were to take your harddrive in the event of seizing your computer they would find slight traces, BUT for them to even seize your computer and physically take your harddrive apart they would need WAY more probable cause then a couple of accidental downloads which were deleted almost immediately.
Unless you were constantly downloading and more importantly UPLOADING illegal pornography, then you might have cause to worry about being on the police's "radar".
It is highly unlikely that at that exact moment that you downloaded something accidentally, the police were like "yep this guy downloaded some stuff lets get him". These cases are very serious, but require investigation before criminal charges are even laid.
I clearly am not the law and I dont know for sure, but after talking and reading extensively about certain cases, more than the majority of the time they would investigate any allegations or suspicions before coming to your house or something.
I might be talking out my ***, but I guess some of if is personal "opinion" i suppose. My father works as a Correctional Officer, so I like to think I have some insight after lots of conversations etc.
This is not to say that this is how it is, but we as users have to be very careful and aware of what we download. Thanks to these forums I hope it informs people of possible dangers when downloading videos etc. Its a risk you take but downloading videos and porn. Unfair yes, but a reality. Be safe and user conscious.
(long post sorry)

Thank you for your input ophelia. Today I called the national center for missing and exploited children and asked them for advice. All they said was to file a report with them, either anonymously or with my information. I felt a little less than satisfied with their response so I called my local police station and they told me to call back tomorrow when a detective who works specifically in these matters is in. What I told the NCFMAEC and what I'll tell the detective on the phone tomorrow is what I am most afraid of was that if that file was part of some sting operation, I doubt they'd believe me and would just throw me into a general category, like in this article

http://www.theledger.com/article/20080321/NEWS/803210372

[ophelia87]

thanks hobo! :)
and skribz: I think it was very admirable for you to contact the necessary people that deal with these issues. However, I dont know how much of help you will be to them.. for the mere fact you have already deleted the material in question. If it happed last night persay and you immediately contacted local authorities, they could tell you to write down the name of the video.. time etc and how to get rid of the material properly. But since it happed last month as you said..and you deleted it, you cant really provide them with much information, other than that there is illegal pornography on Limewire, which they most likely already know. Maybe you contacted them, to lift a sense of relief off your shoulders, which is completely understandable. But like I said I am not sure how they will go about dealing with your call, if they do at all. Let me know how it goes, interested.
In regards to the article you posted; that's a really good thing though that they caught those people. After reading it though, these people were actively being investigated in their community or wherever, and were actively downloading, uploading, distributing, and KEPT the material on their computer.
They found images/videos on their computers. If they took your computer or whatever, they would find nothing on yours. They would need more than an accidental download to put you in jail, way more. And if they took you in for questioning or something, you could explain yourself. How can they charge you, for something that's not even in your possession? And wasnt for more than a couple of minutes or seconds or whatever it was. Its still a serious accusation. And if it helps you sleep at night to be in contact with the appropriate authorities, then do what you need.
Just try to relax, and know you didnt do it on purpose, and you got rid of it before it downloaded fully.

[ophelia87]

Thank you for your input ophelia. Today I called the national center for missing and exploited children and asked them for advice. All they said was to file a report with them, either anonymously or with my information. I felt a little less than satisfied with their response so I called my local police station and they told me to call back tomorrow when a detective who works specifically in these matters is in. What I told the NCFMAEC and what I'll tell the detective on the phone tomorrow is what I am most afraid of was that if that file was part of some sting operation, I doubt they'd believe me and would just throw me into a general category, like in this article

http://www.theledger.com/article/20080321/NEWS/803210372

skribz: wondering if you had any updates with the call you put in to your local authorities. what'd they say?

[skribz]

skribz: wondering if you had any updates with the call you put in to your local authorities. what'd they say?

Well Ophelia, I spoke to the detective the other day and didn't receive too much valuable information. He said he wasn't too familiar with limewire operations, and that the feds are the ones that usually monitor it 24/7. What made me very uneasy was he said no matter if it was an accidental download, if the file was part of a sting, they will come down on you. And just as another kick in the butt, the detective reminded me that no matter if it wasn't fully downloaded, the data stays on your computer. So I came home and tried to defrag my computer, I'm not the most computer savvy person in the world, and to make a long story short, I couldn't properly do it and couldn't get it to start up again. I need to use my computer everyday for work and school so I had to go shell out 800 bucks for a new one.

[Kekkonen]

I know how you feel, instead i got one of those ''your IP has been logged'' things.

I felt extreme guilt at back of my head, i didn't know what to do. I feel the shame even today.

Edit: GOD ****, SOME ******* was playing prank on me. I found the source of it and traced their IP adress, if wasn't even KP.

Found it. It was some sort of scam, http://busted.sal3m.com . Is anyone familiar with this?

[hamper11]

i was just doing the same thing except with a movie and downloaded several at the same time and when i finished downloading them one of them was kp. i was so disgusted that im never going to risk this again and delete limewire permenantly. i still feel sick and extreamly shocked over it because it is nothing i have ever encountered before.

update: just to let you know your probably ok. i have talked to a friend who knows much on the subject and he told me the people targeted are repeat downloaders who have a history of downloading it and more importantly uploaders.

[mhungry]

Contrary to a lot of belief about possession, and a lot of interest and buzz about the FBI, etc, using computer forensics to resurrect deleted images, etc, all you have to do is delete the offending images. Lawmakers realized that in this day and age, it's way too easy to accidentally view images you weren't purposefully trying to see, and it would be ridiculous to send people to jail who truly tried to get rid of it. A deleted image is not the same as an normal, available image. True, it doesn't remove the data from the hard drive always when you delete things, but to a normal person under normal circumstances, the image is gone and inaccessible.

Here's the exact wording from the US Code, Title 18, Chapter 100, Section 2252:
(a) Any person who—
(1) knowingly transports or ships in interstate or foreign commerce by any means including by computer or mails, any visual depiction, if—
(A) the producing of such visual depiction involves the use of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and
(B) such visual depiction is of such conduct;
(2) knowingly receives, or distributes, any visual depiction that has been mailed, or has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce, or which contains materials which have been mailed or so shipped or transported, by any means including by computer, or knowingly reproduces any visual depiction for distribution in interstate or foreign commerce or through the mails, if—
(A) the producing of such visual depiction involves the use of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and
(B) such visual depiction is of such conduct;
(3) either—
(A) in the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States, or on any land or building owned by, leased to, or otherwise used by or under the control of the Government of the United States, or in the Indian country as defined in section 1151 of this title, knowingly sells or possesses with intent to sell any visual depiction; or
(B) knowingly sells or possesses with intent to sell any visual depiction that has been mailed, or has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce, or which was produced using materials which have been mailed or so shipped or transported, by any means, including by computer, if—
(i) the producing of such visual depiction involves the use of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and
(ii) such visual depiction is of such conduct; or
(4) either—
(A) in the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States, or on any land or building owned by, leased to, or otherwise used by or under the control of the Government of the United States, or in the Indian country as defined in section 1151 of this title, knowingly possesses 1 or more books, magazines, periodicals, films, video tapes, or other matter which contain any visual depiction; or
(B) knowingly possesses 1 or more books, magazines, periodicals, films, video tapes, or other matter which contain any visual depiction that has been mailed, or has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce, or which was produced using materials which have been mailed or so shipped or transported, by any means including by computer, if—
(i) the producing of such visual depiction involves the use of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and
(ii) such visual depiction is of such conduct;
shall be punished as provided in subsection (b) of this section.
(b)
(1) Whoever violates, or attempts or conspires to violate, paragraphs [1] (1), (2), or (3) of subsection (a) shall be fined under this title and imprisoned not less than 5 years and not more than 20 years, but if such person has a prior conviction under this chapter, chapter 71, chapter 109A, or chapter 117, or under section 920 of title 10 (article 120 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice), or under the laws of any State relating to aggravated sexual abuse, sexual abuse, or abusive sexual conduct involving a minor or ward, or the production, possession, receipt, mailing, sale, distribution, shipment, or transportation of child pornography, such person shall be fined under this title and imprisoned for not less than 15 years nor more than 40 years.
(2) Whoever violates, or attempts or conspires to violate, paragraph (4) of subsection (a) shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both, but if such person has a prior conviction under this chapter, chapter 71, chapter 109A, or chapter 117, or under section 920 of title 10 (article 120 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice), or under the laws of any State relating to aggravated sexual abuse, sexual abuse, or abusive sexual conduct involving a minor or ward, or the production, possession, receipt, mailing, sale, distribution, shipment, or transportation of child pornography, such person shall be fined under this title and imprisoned for not less than 10 years nor more than 20 years.
(c) Affirmative Defense.— It shall be an affirmative defense to a charge of violating paragraph (4) of subsection (a) that the defendant—
(1) possessed less than three matters containing any visual depiction proscribed by that paragraph; and
(2) promptly and in good faith, and without retaining or allowing any person, other than a law enforcement agency, to access any visual depiction or copy thereof—
(A) took reasonable steps to destroy each such visual depiction; or
(B) reported the matter to a law enforcement agency and afforded that agency access to each such visual depiction.

Note the valid defense under subsection (c). Also note that both standards under subsection (a) require that you knowingly receive the materials. So it is a valid defense that the images showed up in a general search using common strings like "porn", and you accidentally downloaded them. That kind of defense would not apply if you knowly subscribed to a Yahoo! group, or specifically searched for "child porn" or "******" in Limewire, etc etc.

Section 2252A, which covers kiddy porn more directly, is similarly structured. In short, if you're not specifically looking for it ("knowingly" is the key word here), you shouldn't have anything to worry about if you honestly deleted the images. That's not to say you might not have a tough fight in court if some gung-ho agent decides to come after you, but generally speaking, don't let it bother you too much, it's not your fault.

[rogerisright]

Dude reading your post and then reading the exceptionally accurate response that you no doubt discounted immediately made me stop and wonder how many other people out there just like you think they are somehow invisible sitting in their dark bedroom looking at their screen. You have no idea at all how badly the pendulum has over swung the other way on this issue. This is the crimen exceptum of our era and if you think for one second that they aren't serious as a heart attack then you need to turn off your computer and unplug it from the internet ... and only then with a clean new hard drive are you safe from the current witch hunt that is taking place in our country by the tough on crime ...throw away the key ...save the children people. Before you stop reading this post considers the following:
1. You donot have to even download a possible illegal image ...just clicking on a link that advertises an illegal image is enough for the feds to march into a judge's chambers and walk out with a search warrant for your computer. Oh but it gets better ...you could have simply clicked on a spam email with a link and a promise or statement of what you will find at the end of it ...and that link could have been sent to you in broadcast style hundreds of thousands at a time ...by the FBI!...http://www.attorneysonyourside.com/FBIEntrapment.html and while the link says entrapment and while the popular thinking says entrapment ...the federal judges who have seen these cases have all said ...no! ... read this link about a Phd Candidate who clicked on the link then had the feds at his door with guns out and flash grenades going off throwing him to the ground ...taking his computer and finding nothing and a jury of his peers finding him guilty of "Attempted possession" and where is he now? Finishing his Phd unmolested?? Nope ...Club Fed for 4 years getting molested..his life is ruined ...he is now a sex offender for the next 15 years will never get a decent job or have a normal place to live...and his teaching days are over because he can't be around anyone under 18! Thats right ...
2. Consider that 90% of the CP in the world today (on the net) is put there by the Govt.!

:""In our time, the police create crimes. And that is why the US prison population is twice the size of China's, an authoritarian country with a population four to five times larger than America’s. Americans are more at risk from the police than they are from criminals"

3. Consider the recent case of Arizona v. Morton Berger... Award winning High School teacher ..father of two great teens, husband for 30 some years, never had any run in's with the law for anything other than a speeding ticket ...56 yrs old ...he was curious one night like you and he leaves his credit card on the wrong website he was trying to see ...so for that part ..he did do the crime ...and he downloaded some images ...after the forensic people finished dredging his hard drive with a fine toothed comb they came up with 20 images that they could put back together well enough to be able to make out under 18 teens who were not engaged in any sexual acts but were posing naked in sexually provocative poses ...they charge him with those 20 counts ....a jury of his peers convict him of those same 20 counts ...do you know when the first time he will be eligible for release will be ...including from executive clemency and/or pardon (which he is statutorily barred from ever getting ...along with any type of good time opr early release...??? anybody?? ...200 years from the day he went into prison!!.. He appealed ...AZ Appeals court says ..no thats not cruel and unusual! AZ Supreme Court says ...Nope that doesn't shock the public conscience. (yeah right!) so it goes to the US Supremes and what happens ?? they refuse to even hear the case.. No kidding ...In 3 states he would not have even been prosecuted ...in AZ even he would be out if instead of downloading those 20 pics if he would have instead kidnapped an underage girl ...raped her and killed her...that would have gotten him back to his house and family in 20-30 years! Feel safer? ...
4. There are more people currently serving huge long sentences ...most of them had mandatory minimums of 5 to 10 years ...than the total number of underage victims they have been able to identify who were forced to participate in the making of these images. ..in the next 10 years that number is supposed to rise to 20 times (people in prison vs. victims) ..These people made a mistake ...guys like Morton Berger I am sure (with no criminal history at all) would have been cured of his curiosity doing 200 days (or less) Not 200 years without parole ...oh and there was no evidence that he ever sent them to anyone ...or was an actor in any of them ..or did anything except download them ...then delete them ...and then wash his drive ...which tells me he had already beaten himself up with a guilty conscience already ...
5. This crime is just like the Stalin show trials and just like the witch trials going way back in our history ...guilty simply by being accused ...and guilty of a crime that is so volatile that once you have been accused ...you have no friends in the world and nothing else you have done to make this world a better place matters at all to anyone ...and you can't even really defend yourself against the indefensible ...who in their right mind is going to defend what he did ?? ... everyone agrees that its an outrage ...everyone agrees that it needs to be stopped if possible ... and the people who produce these images should be punished severely ...but there is no one in any country today that is being punished worse than 20 images Morton Berger!



"One of the greatest delusions in the world is the hope that the evils in this world are to be cured by legislation". - Thomas Brackett Reed

6. The fight against this scourge is a Huge Huge bureaucracy ...quoting figures from an FBI report...

"there is now a huge bureaucracy, stuffed full of people, employed in the
‘industry’ and it would be politically very difficult to get rid of them. In addition to the estimated 50,000 police officers, there are also a similar number employed in the FBI, customs etc. And that is not counting the huge numbers of people in the charities and NGOs (there are 21 NGOs operating in Bangkok alone). Conservative estimates put the total number of people employed in the industry at over 250,000, with dozens more joining every month. Contrast that number with the 2,000 kids that have EVER been
abused to make child porn.

It is precisely for his reason - not the mealy mouthed excuses trotted out by the politicians and the rest of the bureaucracy about viewers becoming doers - that the laws have become increasingly more restrictive, creating an ever-widening circle of images, even text, that fall within the prohibition; and is the reason why simple possession has been ramped up to become a crime exceptum. There are just not enough people making the stuff to justify a bureaucracy of this size, so they had to find other targets to justify the
massive expense. Just like with drugs – which after all were only criminalized to provide employment for the army of people employed during Prohibition - a juggernaut has been created that the politicians will have problems stopping. Yet even now, with some political will, it’s not too late.


There is enough argument on this web site about the reality and extent of child pornography without repeating any of it here, but suppose we look at it from a different viewpoint. We have had moral panics before, each of them resulting in an inquisition of one kind or another. The best remembered are the original witch hunts, the demonizing of the Jews, the ‘crime against nature’ of homosexuality, the Reds under the beds, and, more
recently, the pedophile rings and satanic ritual abuse scares. It may be difficult to recall a time when there was not a moral panic and an accompanying inquisition about some designated perversion.

one result of the a priori bias that accompanies moral panics and the absolutism they engender is "therapeutic jurisprudence’. I see a version of this as ‘legislating for malice’. Courts routinely act not in the service of justice, but in maintaining and enforcing the ideology of society. What results is a society of fear and maliciousness, where neighbors spy and report on
each other, and where police engage in scams and entrapment, and prey on innocent people who may be ensnared by other means also.


Let’s look at the new threats to freedom and innocence brought about by the child pornography absolutism. I could have risked accusations of exaggeration had I said two years ago that no one who owned a PC was now safe. After first hand contact with people whose stories are told on this web site, I can now say with some confidence, and much sadness, that I believe that no man who owns a PC is safe, whether the threat be from teenaged sons and their friends, Trojan Horse intrusions, spams, set ups, viruses, accidental
access or misjudgment concerning what constitutes pornography. The result is that the Internet is being viewed as a threat rather than the great facilitator of the emancipation of the human imagination it should be.

If you have read this far and think that you are safe in front of your computer please know that if you are doing these types of things then the most iunsafe place for you to do it is in front of your computer...even if you download something by accident ...itsa strict liability world we live in ...and if it's there ...you are guilty ...and that includes pictures in data format that are stored without your knowledge and even if you did know and can prove that those files have never been opened ...you are still going to do 5 yrs ...no parole at club fed as a mandatory minimum...the precarious nature of any of the civil liberties we have left is way beyond being worse than you can imagine ...do some reading ...stop breaking the law because your life will be destroyed and it will be destroyed very thoroughly and expeditiously ...by well meaning men and women who could care less about your life or if it ends today ! ... after reading through abunch of whats actually happening and referencing the actual cases to make sure it wasn't just fear mongering ...I connect my computer to the internet twice a day for a few minutes to get my emails ...The system, is broke people ...and we are letyting it happen ...think this stuff happens to everyone else but you ...wait until the flash grenades go off at your house at 5am and you are introduced to what we call our criminal justice system ...then dont say you weren’t told

[Chris.Harrison]

I live in the UK and I've had the same problem.
A few times now I've selected loads of porn files to download all at once, cuz you never know which ones will work and which won't. And even when you have a file downloading it takes ages to download anyway.
Dodgy C.P. sounding file-names kept coming up and i just went through and deleted them all everytime. I presumed they were spam, but didn't click to find out!

Today however I saw a disgusting C.P. image that was under a file name that didn't have anything to do with C.P. It disturbs me to think that stuff is on my computer. I've deleted Limewire and am thinking of wiping the hard drive - it's like it's tainted now.

I think I'm going to go to the police. People on this forum say they don't do anything about it. But that all seems to be in America, maybe the police in UK don't know this stuff's on Limewire yet, maybe they can do something about it.

Why doesn't Limewire get rid of this stuff? Or at least warn users - I'm worried the police are going to knock down the door now!

[rogerisright]

illegal on your hard drive then nothing you do will erase it to the extent that they can't dredge it back up. If you suspect that you have accidently downloaded anything thats even close ...destroy it and throw it in the deepest river you can find in 100 different pieces. The gov't in the US is arresting people who simply click on a link ...sent to them by the Govt. that suggests that if you click on it you will see CP. It doesn't matter that there wasn't ever any images there to see ...because they are calling it Attempted Possession of CP and it's a 5 yr gig at club fed with no parole or good time or anything ..5 yrs of your life gone ...then when you get out ...no one will hire you and no one will rent a house to you ,,,you will be constantly hassled and harrassed by the local cops and neighbors ... you might as well jump off a building if you commit this crime ...even innocently and even by mistake... They don't care !! and they don't believe you ...Let me ask the rest of you a question ?? KNowing how easy it is to be tricked on limewire and knowing how aggressive some trojans and downloaders can be ...what do you think the penalty should be if someone is caught with 10-15 cp images on his computer?? Recognizing that In 3 states apparently it isn't even a crime and in Arizona you would be sentenced to 100-150 years with no clemency, or parole ...even if you are just an 18 yr old kid who has never been in trouble in his life. ...not making it and not selling it for profit ...10-15 sitting on your hard drive ...anyone?? Am I the only one who thinks this hysteria is way over done ...is there anyone who is really 100% safe from possible prosecution and multi year imprisonment??

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

In the U.S. these days you could be declared an "illegal enemy
combatant" at any time and vanish without a trace, but aside from that
loophole most people have their day in court in the rare occurrence of
an arrest. :rolleyes:

Accidental downloads never result in arrests because there's not
enough reason to prosecute based on that alone. Those possession
laws are part of a set to be used against real offenders in several
ways and the courts generally never tolerate any attempts to snag the
innocent by one prong of that set alone. The only way a conviction
could result on a single count is if the defendant really was an offender
and there was enough evidence to prove it. In most cases a single
count never goes past preliminary hearings. If you are not an offender
you are not under any significant risk of false or malicious prosecution.

All of that is mostly irrelevant anyway. Accidental downloads are
routinely erased every day and routine daily use of a computer tramples
over the disk over and over, wiping out the traces. Regular defragmenting
adds even more security and any one of the dozens of eraser programs
out there are more than powerful enough to beat any attempts at
recovering unwanted data, so if you are feeling especially paranoid get
one of those and set it to wipe free disk space once in awhile with that
ubiquitous military standard method they all use.

[stphilip]

i was using limewire to find porn when i was 14 and searched lesbian and made the mistake of clicking everything and ending up with real lesbian porn, kiddy **** and threats from hackers with notes reading in the name of jesus i will report you i have your ip then i thought I'm fourteen she's twelve do to the fact even if i knew her i wouldn't go far anyway because I'm using limewire to learn about sex they might go easy but I was scared shitless nevertheless so i told my mom i found it in her boyfriends my documents and she left him(just as i planed lol) but sense i have used limewire with caution and have ran into no trouble following these simple rules.

1.) don't risk downloading programs probably about 1/2 are virus's

2.) use bitzi to register child porn accidental downloads don't worry they will not prosecute you its a way they can track what child porn is going around the network also it can warn against virus's and fbi tracker files the only problem is their is a lot of sick people who will rate a child porn image or video with good quality, excellent or can't see her who whoo so even checking bitzi you may find that may seem normal but has been rated by predators.

Another thing: Remember before reporting a ip address you saw you downloaded from think that person could have accidentally downloaded as well. so everyone all we can do is use bitzi and maybe one day kill the downloads

EDIT: I have tidied up your post a fraction .. Also I have removed part of it. You warned against a certain term that you say is always child porn. It was news to me and would be to others who were on the search for such material. We don't want to do anything help feed their twisted appetites.

[haveagreatday]

Hey guys, I recently accidentally viewed an image of CP while on the web (not much to do with limewire, but I don't know where else to post). Although there were no sexual acts being performed I feel really, really sick.
I am very paranoid at times, and was wondering if it were possible to be arrested/punished by law for this?

Thanks in advance

EDIT: Reading some other threads, there are mixed views on whether you can or can't get in trouble for accidentally viewing this sort of material, although it leans towards the fact that you can't. I just need some reassurance or second opinions. Thanks

[Only A Hobo]

In my opinion... and it is only an opinion ... You viewed a website that had a picture on it ... you did not save the picture to disc ... you have no other such pictures saved to disc. If you computer should be seized and inspected ... they will possibly be able to prove you made a single visit to a website..... once ......

If you have 100s of downloaded images or even 10s .... that would be a different matter, but I can't see that you have anything to worry about whatsoever :) ..

[haveagreatday]

Thanks for the reassurance, I thought that was the case :) How do they even know who's computer to seize though? Would they have any way of knowing I visited one website?

[Only A Hobo]

One way they would know what computers to seize would be through reports from other internet users reporting p2p hosts and websites. Just remember that any web-master in the world can see the ip address of every single user who visits his site, and so can the administrators and many moderators of any forum you visit, and I would suspect that isps are usually willing to divulge details of their clients in cases of child pornography. Some sites masquerading as Child Porn sites might not be .......

If the authorities were to search any computer thoroughly they could find an enormous amount of apparently deleted information and I am not sure that anyone can actually TOTALLY erase the contents of a computer without use of a sledgehammer and industrial crusher.

I'm not an expert in this field, but I hope this answers your questions a little :)

[haveagreatday]

Thanks for the reply :) Yeah it does sorta clear up some stuff... I just don't want someone coming and knocking on my door with a search warrant for my computer. Am I safe from that?

[Only A Hobo]

If ALL you have done is paid one visit to a website, I am sure you have nothing to worry about :)

[haveagreatday]

Ok, thanks :) I don't know why I'm worrying so much... Like I said, I'm a bit paranoid lol

[accsd]

Hello,

My brother is 25 years old and recently 3 detectives took my brothers computer. He accidentally downloaded it and left the computer running without and sharing it. Now hes charged with two accounts of possession and distribution of child pornography. His bond was set at $100,000 which my father had to put the house on in order to released him from jail until the court date. The worst part is that 2 detectives went down into the basement alone and had him write a written confession. Saying that if he signs, the charges wont be as bad but if he doesn't, then he would be put in hand cuffs.


I don't even know what to do anymore. Is it really that easy to accidentally download child pornography on limewire?

[Slider]

CP: Risk and Consequences, incidentally downloads

Now, now folks just don't panic.
Of course, CP is as very bad thing, no second mind about

that.
But never mind whether you use LimeWire, µTorrent or what

ever P2P software to download anything, there is always the

chance that you end up downloading - incidentally - some

porn, even worse, CPs.
It has - I guess - did happen to almost anybody meanwhile

and I'm no exception of that rule. But instead of push

myself into panic or even worse a high degree of paranoia I

just either simply kill the file and that is it, or -

depending on the material - I might even pass it on to the

police div. in charge of things like that, providing them

with the IP, date of download or offer of the file and just

ask them to take proper action vs. the one who is

responsible.

If anyone is to scared to do just like that, those could

send it to any child protecting agency or league against

child abuse. Depending on the state or country you are

living, names and/or organization vary.

You are certainly not committing a crime by very

incidentally run into a file of CP. To make it a crime would

have to fulfill at least the two basic requirements:
a) confirmed physical (mental) elements of the offense,
b) confirmed objective elements of the offense,

meaning, you have (had) the intention to search, download

and possess CP material intentionally (even for your

personal use only), furthermore, that have been fully aware

of the fact, that such material is illegal and hence a

crime.
If one of those two (legal) elements is missing, no case.

Just do not keep such intentionally downloaded material an

your PC and if it happen to be unknowingly been downloaded

by you, just kill the file and good.
Good advice would be, don't download things and go on your

annual vacation while your downloads are running - lol. Best

thing, you stay close by and keep an eye on things are

downloading.

As far as you belong to the worrying kind, there are even

certain softwares that would destroy any file to an extend

that even the russian secret service couldn't reconstruct

t䱨hat file :-) You might for that like to take a look at

speedbit.com. Such tool comes along with the pro version of

their downloader software. For rather small graphic files

the freeware version of it would do as well.

So once again, just don't blow your head off for

incidentally downloading some CP file.

I myself just last night run across a very bad piece of CP

file. It claim to show how a 3 year old girl being raped. Up

to now I just took a screenshot of the download directory

where the file is being offered for downloading at LimeWire

and will decide today which action should being taken (i.e.

downloading the file for the purpose to pass it on as well

to the feds). In that case I might as well notify the

provider the IP belongs to.

@accsd:
well, I don't have to tell you that your brother acted very

stupid when he confessed of committing a crime in that

regard, because the police officers about pushed him to do

so by making fictional promises.
Without such downright dumb confession there would be

nothing they had have - but under the circumstances now ...

I hardly can believe it!
Better make sure that brother of yours gets an able lawyer

to pull him out of that kinda ****. Better for him to revoke

the confession on the same grounds you've stated in your

posting. And I say this only taking it as a fact, that your

brother is not guilty of the charges intended by the police

(of intentionally downloading and storing CP material for

further uses).

Now folks, I just hope that this short excursion into CP and

legal consequences might be able to get you down on solid

ground again.

Remember: don't panic - nothing gets eaten as hot as it got

cooked.

[Swampage]

They only go after the people who share it.
Because they have no access to the servers they cannot see what you searched, what you downloaded and when you did it.
If you read the cases in which people were caught, it clearly says the Officer downloaded the files from the accused.

You can however download files from officers which is terrible too.

Its happened to me many many times and i have usually deleted the files before they are completed. But occasionally i have walked out of my room and they finished.

I do not share and i never did. And its been happening to me for about two years now, nothings happened. Some of the stories posted are made up to make you scared, if your really paranoid destroy the Hard Drive, but other then that live your life.

[trickywild1]

I don't know about the rest of you but I am the father of a 2 little girls and a boy. As a father I am more concerned with the fact that perverts are using Limewire as a medium for sharing child pornography. I am furious that this much discussion is taking place about this topic and no one is taking any action against these degenerates. Let's take this even one step further, those of you who have taken the time to respond on this forum i commend you, but is just saying something about it really going to make a difference. Those of us who wish to protect our children from the filth that wish to prey on them should draw a line in the sand and actively hunt for these pedophiles. The longer we stand by and just talk about this problem, the longer these sicko's have to sit around and actively hunt for material that exploits the lives of children that are to weak or naive to defend themselves. Some of you might be thinking that I'm some nut that is just running off at the mouth about a problem that is too big for us to do anything about, or concerned that even though the cause is just, taking actions like hunting these freaks down leads to authority figures instituting a Orwellian style government. I obviously disagree with these points of view. I think that if those of us that are the majority should stand up and address the issues that affect us on a daily basis, rather than stepping aside and allowing some minority issue take the forefront for the sake of recognizing the "little guy"(normally some staged event put together for the benefit of some idiot jacknut's political campaign with the disguise that it's helping the fight for the "little guy" e.g. the hispanic rallies during the beginning of the presidential campaign's) With all this being said (and before I go and offend anyone else) the task at hand here is looking out for the welfare of all of our children. I propose that a website be made specifically for reporting users that share child pornography. If anyone knows of a website like this that already exists PLEASE post the URL on this forum. Let this be a warning to all pedophiles that are downloading on Limewire, if no one else will, at least I'll be looking for you sick losers, and when I find you, there will be no way to measure the joy it will bring me to watch you rot in a jail cell. Why don't you just save us all the time and pull a Dateline, go home and shoot yourself in the head.

[darbea]

Hello,

My brother is 25 years old and recently 3 detectives took my brothers computer. ...
I don't even know what to do anymore. Is it really that easy to accidentally download child pornography on limewire?


I've seen a few of these posts throughout these forums, and frankly, I find them incredulous.

It's been about 40 years since the pc has hit the market... I find it hard to believe that common layperson is not computer savvy even to a small degree.

Or even familiar with basic law.

(dare I ask) did the police present a search warrant specifically requesting the computer? Was the computer in plain sight from the door? If the police were allowed in, did they have permission to go to the room the pc was in? When they found the PC, was it turned on, and was the file right there on the desktop?

They just can't snoop around withput speciic permission, or unless it is detailed in the search warrant.

I'm no lawyer, but I believe these issues are covered by the fourth amendment, and has decades of case law. But I could be wrong. I've been wrong before, like when I was sure EVERYBODY knew not to admit to anything, or talk to anybody without requesting, then talking to, a lawyer.

Now, was this file an image (jpeg, gif, etc) or video (avi, mpeg, wmv, etc)?

If it was an image file, from what I understand, there's probably little to worry about. Even a lawyer still in junior high can argue what has already been decided in high court: As a digital image, it cannot be determined that the image is of a real person or a virtual person - unless the actual person can be produced. How can the subject's age be determined? There is a cottage industry (probably russian) of hundreds and hundreds of legal age "models" who actually can pass easily as preteen. And they are specifically marketed as "young, ******, angel, girlie, emo, twink, etc," to attract the CP crowd. It's probably the most profitable business on the internet.

Video files are probably more challenging than images to defend, but the same rules apply.


Now, with all that in mind, the police are going to raid a house for ONE file? that was downloaded, not uploaded? I don't think so. I just can't imagine it, not in this country. And I have quite an imagination.

If I can imagine that I'm wealthy, ageless, an irresistable hunk, and if I can imagine that all the conspiracy theories over the years could be true, ( did you know that the side of the sun you don't see is the dark side?), and all that kind of stuff, then I should be able to believe that the police are chasing the people with one accidental download, in lieu of the sickos (the real criminals) who are distributing (uploading) it?!?!

And that this unlucky person could be so academically challenged that he doesn't know his basic rights (even rites) in this country.

And that YOU know enough to be able to post in these forums, yet ignorant of the fact that LIMEWIRE has no culpability in the CP traffic industry.

You're a fraud and so is your post.

[darbea]

After my last post here, I decided to go thru the forum again, just to veriy a suspicion. It seems many, many, people have "accidently" downloaded CP on their PCs.

I have used computers for 20 years or so, am a download junkie, and never have I accidently downloaded CP or KP. What I have recieved, hundreds of times, are images, or websites of models who could easily pass as kids.

These images are almost always hi-def or very good quality, in color, and convincingly lead you to believe that these models are very young. The models appear to lack the conventional physical developement of 18+ yr olds.

This stuff may be porn, but it is not KP or CP. These sites probably originate from Russia.

Don't let you're misplaced paranoia convince you to hide your head in the sand. Re-boot your brain, and educate yourself about your computer, what's on it, what is real, and what is fantasy.

The fantasy part is the part that allows you believe that this is illegal CP or KP. You are only the victims of marketing stratagies that target, very effectively, those who are really looking for, or interested in, this stuff.

What you downloaded was merely a form of junk mail. Nothing else. Although actual CP and KP can be very accessible on the net, I just don't think it's as easy as you think to get it.

The real traffickers are probably a bit more cautious than that... I mean, it is illegal... They are a closed industry, and deal with others they know.

Perhaps you can look at it this way: Let's pretend that you are interested in buying some 'pot' - the smokable stuff.

You don't really know anybody in the industry (pot dealers), and they don't know you. Chances of a succesfull business transaction (sale of a bag of pot) are limited at best.

This is where the street dealer (the guy on the corner) comes in. It's an excellent business niche for him. He has some good stuff, you smell the stuff... wow! reminds you of the blond hash you used to get all those years ago.... great stuff!!

You go home, roll a doobie, and (of course you don't inhale)... you take a real deep hit of the oregano the corner boy sold you.. oregano is not illegal, but it sure looks like pot.. OK, it doesn't smell like that great hash you remember, but it was treated to help seal the deal. You really thought it was pot but it wasn't.

And don 't attack me for the analogy... yes, I think selling oregano as pot is actually a chargeable offense, I was just trying to make a point.

The stuff you got is more than likely legal porn - those models are of legal age - they just want their target audience to believe what their eyes tell them.

[JCDenton55]

I so much wish I was smart enough to read this before downloading anything. I just gave my computer a format and it had no protection. To avoid getting tons of viruses again I used this program for porn. Big mistake. Seriously I've seen posts and I am very worried. I dont need that sh*t in my life because of a mistake. I'm not ashamed of dl-ing porn and I dont see why anyone would be. When your girlfriend/wife/boyfriend.. is somewhere for weeks its totaly normal for people to look for visual stimulation but nevermind that. Problem is that Limewire contains such content and something should be done about it. Filter it out somehow. I deleted the sick stuff, reported it and I won't hesitate to contact police about it. Now I see I'm not the first and I am probably not the last person who had this experience with p2p program. There is a site you can report CP if you encounter it. www.asacp.org

Dont be ashamed to do that. It may help root out this problem. I hope that one day it will.

[bgorton8@cox.net]

I destroyed my H.D.$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ OH Well.Anybody into child porn,etc. deserves what they get.MILF OK!..............................................P ARANOIA

[Valor_NET]

(2) promptly and in good faith, and without retaining or allowing any person, other than a law enforcement agency, to access any visual depiction or copy thereof—
(A) took reasonable steps to destroy each such visual depiction; or
(B) reported the matter to a law enforcement agency and afforded that agency access to each such visual depiction.


Note how the "Law Enforcement" has the ability to "double standardize" everything here. And oh look, there too. It doesn't matter what YOU (don't/)do - because it's all a masterpiece conspiracy. They get what you can't have. End of story. As for being incriminated - your odds are always 50/50 - life is nothing but Russian Roullette. Enjoy the ride while it lasts - got me? Even when you try to live without having brushes with "The Law" - you might find yourself there for one reason or another reguardless of "what I/YOU wanted". The "Rabbit Hole" is in the ground for one reason - to keep people in the "know" hidden so they can manipulate their surroundings - including (but not limited to) all of us.

[SheDidIt]

True story: Wife found out about affair while separated from husband. To get her revenge, she waits until he is out of town, goes to his house to use his computer where using LimeWire, she downloads CP brazenly. Next day comes back with blank CD and burns a disk of it! A few days later, casually gives disk to friend to open (says she didn't know how -not!) so friend opens later and YIKES, is surprised to "see skin" (as she later says in deposition) and removes CD from her computer. Few days later, Wifey calls in tears asking for her to go to the house of hubby because she thinks he's having an affair (she knew this months before) and could friend look for "signs of infidelity on his computer"?
Hubby is away and they spend time going through his place. Friend doesn't find CP, but did see LW was running and when opened it, saw file names that suggested "skin" files, so she opted not to open any, just pointed them out to Wifey.
They go home.
Here's where ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE...
Wife times this to her advantage. She gets all her ducks in a row (financial, attorney, etc.) and then WHAM! - takes CD to police and playing the VICTIM ROLE at the Oscar's level, convinces them that SHE & HER FRIEND FOUND the CD TOGETHER.
2 police interviews later (her story changes drastically) and interview of the friend, somehow are enough to get SEARCH & ARREST WARRANTS the next day. Bail set at $250K
Months later, FORENSICS prove the hubby was out of town when CP downloaded and CD was burned, so that was dropped as evidence.
Meanwhile, they found NO FILES or organized FOLDERS like an offender should have, but there was random CP downloaded just a few weeks before the arrest which were deleted before most were opened (hubby suspects wifey was learning the system). Well, charges were dropped ONE YEAR and $150K later!
JUSTICE? Though a neighbor witnessed her 3 hr visits to husband's house (while he was away) on both days CD created AND forensics prove he was away (passport confirmed), wife has not been arrested. WHY?? She's one hell of an actress and police screwed up and want to bury this one...
MORAL of the story...watch your back.
Anyone know a good attorney who is willing to take on a FALSE ARREST lawsuit near Seattle on contingency. (Hubby still in divorce court while funds frozen).

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

Assuming there's any truth to the story the Family Court will be briefed and may decide to grant the
divorce without alimony. After that the husband is in a position to sue the woman.

A charge of false arrest is out of the question because the police apparently acted in good faith.
Prosecution of the woman is up to the local Prosecutor, who may decide not to proceed if there
is little likelihood of success.

If there is any truth to the story where are the links to the court case and the news articles? http://www3.telus.net/Aaron_Walkhouse/really.gif

[SheDidIt]

Thank you for responding, thus proving there is a vibrant audience involved and attentive out there.
The situation I referred to occurred in Nov of 2007 and that puts us at 1.5 yrs later (my how time flies like money!). So, it looks like the Prosecuting Attny has buried this one, but I would certainly love to know how to inspire her to FINISH what she started!

Particularly to explain Limewire's weight as evidence in a CP charge. Here's the gist of the scene I refer to: Limewire runs continuesly 24/7 (having done so for over a year) and after a search was done on say: Neil Young...which brings in every file with the word "young" in it (use your creative imagination, there) is it not obvious that a CP collector would fill a folder with junk in minues if they wanted to?

Well, wifey certainly was able to create chaos in 2 visits and leave a trail for computer forensics to prove it. Why isn't that enough for her conviction?? Witness places her alone at house for 3 hours on the two days CP was downloaded using Limewire, cell phone records show her in that neighborhood those two days, her police reports are obviously conflicting....

Oh, as per suing wives, attorney said defamation from a spouse is not possible UNLESS she is charged and found guilty. Double whammy to husband, thanks to inept prosecutor who first arrests wrong person, then hangs up case when there is a suspect under her nose with MOTIVE!

Limewire is an active public domain, is this really the first time its been used for mischievous behavior by an outsider?

[Aaron.Walkhouse]

You might as well ask the same thing about cars.
There are millions of those things out there too, and
many are in the hands of drunks and criminals.

Shall we ask Ford, Chrysler and GM to start tracking
where everybody goes? http://www3.telus.net/Aaron_Walkhouse/really.gif

[xxdreamerrxx]

i feel your pain i did something similar. I was searching the legal kind of porn on my ipod touch and i had something else written in the google search bar it was the song "your gonna go far kid" well i went to delete it and search porn but i made a mistake and didn't delete the the word kid at the end. So me being the dummy that i am i put porn in with the word kid. as if that was bad enough, as i clicked search i thought i heard my younger brother coming upstairs( by the way I'm 16) fearing he might ask me what i am doing i scrambled to turn off my ipod and instead i dropped my ipod while clicking on a fake government CP site that trys to trick pedophiles. when i made sure that my brother was downstairs i opened my ipod again and noticed that i was a new kind of porn site, one that i have never been on before so i clicked on the button that said i was 21 and then the button show me the pictures or something like that it, then brought me to a white page with writing and i was wondering were the porn was i then noticed the first sentence said welcome and thank you for coming to this site our sophisticated security system is tracking your location right now be prepared to be arrested for child pornography. i freaked out and immediately ran down stairs and unplugged the computer and modem i also unplugged all the phones i then checked my ipods history and released what i did. I was pissed off and scared at the same time. i downloaded an ip address hider to hide my ip address but i don't know if its to late. when i checked my internet history the fake website was American, i am canadian so i don't know if they can arrest me anyways so far its been 5 hours since the i accidentally came across the site. do you the cops will understand if i tell them

[amandadooly]

My 16 year son was using limewire to download music when we got a trojun in our computer, he has been using something else now.
However recently I was looking on his computer when I came accross a disturbing file name- yes a 9 year old girl video - it wouldnt play - thank God but the fact that it was there made me feel sick.
We asked him about it and he denied putting it there and now I have read other people having the same experience and the fact that it was in his shared folder puts my mind at ease, knowing now it was probably put there while he was downloading music.
We have 3 computers, one in my sons room which is not connected to the internet, he can plug it in when he wants to download music, and we have a family computer (with Netnanny on it) and another computer which we do our banking on - this one is used for only that and nothing else.
Anyway I told him about reading this here and that I know he didnt put it there, I feel a little guilty now for accusing him.
Anyway it goes to show we have to be so careful what we do on the net.
Thanks for listening.

[dragon123]

i feel sorry for these children more needs to be done

[Slavin]

I have had this same problem in the past and have learned how to avoid it, like reading and not doing mass downloads, but if you want more sleep at night or just want to help keep you pc a little cleaner, there is a suite from a company called Auslogics. Among other things, it has a file shredder and a disk wiper. the shredder does exactly what it sounds like and the disk wiper takes all the space that has your "deleted" files and scrambles it.
The suite cost like $30 but has many other useful tools.
A free program that can also help put your mind at ease is called Recuva. This program will scan for deleted files so you can be sure that if you had something you really wanted deleted it will be. Or keep it around for when you delete something you really didn't want to delete.
Before anyone has something to say about "posting ads" this is just a suggestion. There are plenty of other options out there.
And sorry for the bump, I know this is an old one.

[ausaf]

I am using 8 keywords.......?of each public page of my site and i have atleast 20 public pages of the site. Can it is correct to use 8 different keywords on single page or i can use total 20 keywords for whole site and use on each 20 keywords for every page of site?I am waiting for reply