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[simon fenton- jones]

Guys,

I'd be interested in your feedback on this site. http://www.omn.org/ (http://www.omn.org/)

It seems we have two groups - one talking grids, the other talking abour peer to peer. But they both seem to be talking about identical architectures.

Also wanted to flag two other initiatives.
http://www.partnershipforlearners.org/mission.php
http://www.nsf.gov/cise/geni/

Do limewires every get into conversations with these types of people? If so where (please)?

PS Boy is it a harrowing experience getting through to this board.

[simon fenton- jones]

OK,

So long as you've taken a peek at this page I'll take for granted that you've glanced at the links on my previous post.

This time, would you give this one some thought.
http://www.beyondbroadcast.net/wiki/index.php?title=Day_2_Session_Ideas

You might want to consider running a virtual workshop. You know i have less interest in the technical stuff, but seems like a P2P vs Grids discussion might help blow a few cobwebs out of a few eyes.

Talking about Either/Or. Would you consider, on this page.
http://www.limewire.com/english/content/forum_intro.shtml

That you would have two links to » Continue to the Message Forums »

One would be called » Geeks » and go to gnu's boards
The other would be called » Luddites » and would point to these ones

We wouldn't want to confuse people, would we?

[simon fenton- jones]

I was thinking about your job for blog editor, working in downtown NYC.
But blogs can't be editored, users can only add a comment(which they rarely do.)
And NYC is obviously a bit slower than most other places, if these forums are an indicator.

I also roamed around Lime Group's openplans concept. Niice idea, but typically US Home Office centric. Your management term aren't as old as Rotary's are they?

So while I'm talking to a few national librarians about how these types of P2P things might impact their profession, I'll add another question.

What do LOCKSS and P2P have in common?

The only other thing I can imagine might be putting limes off is that I originally mispelt Meghan's name wrong. But that's only because that's the way her survival Scottish translates in Antipodean anglais.

[simon fenton- jones]

OK,

Found the link on the http://www.limewire.com/english/content/forum_intro.shtml
page, so someone's watching (sam?) if not talking.
But I still think Geeks and Luddites would be a more logical way to separate the discussions.

Why you'd link to
http://limewire.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=75
rather than the index, I'll never know.

But i suppose getting the nxt beta up is your priority.

Can you get meghan to make a post here. I'm not so interested in all of limewire's functionality, so much as asking one of you lime strategists to consider a global architecture which can span a few nodes (with UDP Host Caches)

BTW. Nice boards.
regards.

[Sam]

Most people that use LimeWire don't understand what the word "Luddites" means, and we're not really interested in calling all beta users geeks (even if all us developers are). The link is explicitly for beta users, so it links to the beta forums. We're not quite ready to have a mass hoard of folks hitting this forum yet, so we're slowly introducing links to it.

What global architecture that spans nodes are you thinking of? We're in the process of adding a DHT into the client (see the mojito package & checkins related to that), as well as BitTorrent support. Both are nearly finished.

[simon fenton- jones]

Yeah I understand the terminology is bit remote. I just saw it as a nice way to have a laugh each way.

Please realise, i ain't no geek. I understand enough about what LW and bunches of similar technologies are attempting to do to see that no one's going anywhere fast unless we can get some global collaboratives going. What's a DHT?

So far as the nodes are concerned. Let me use Rotary as an example. They've got a bunch of eclubs, which are starting to mature and talk to one another now. The next step is to consider how we share media between the communities.

If you want a perspective, this is a long link that gives some idea about the different discussions going on in about six domains.
http://www.erotarylondon.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=126 (http://www.erotarylondon.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=126)

[Sam]

DHT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_hash_table

LimeWire's going to use a DHT based on Kademlia, since it works well... and because we can brag that we're friendly with Petar (one of the guys who designed it).

[Ian Cribb]

Is there any sort of add-on that will:
- automatically calulate how many times a song(s) by an artist has been played.
- generate a price per song total (~2 cents per time the song was played)
- notified the user when some threshhold / artist has been reached (~ $10)
- find the artists website, so honourary payment can be made
- keep track of payments made

[simon fenton- jones]

It's a good question Ian.

I can see where you might be headed. This is going to depend on whether Limewire see that they just want to be the puveryors of a bloody good file sharing app, or they take the logical step and get involved with helping artists/aggregators make money off the gnutella network.

One of the hopes ( I would think) for all file sharing users is that they could publish their stuff - songs, demos, videos, etc - and if not make some money off their work, then at least get together with their global peers and build the equivilant of an online radio (TV) station. We've seen the rise and rise of places like youtube, etc. The problem is that their aren't the directories in place so once you've found a host, you can "plug into" them. Artists, on the other hand, can only put their stuff up on their own website/shared file directory and hope that enough people will find them, and maybe part with a few cents to compensate their talents.

I guess this is the hope for lots of potential publishers, which is why you see >30% of users continually asking to "Re-implement the "browse host" feature"
(http://www.gnutellaforums.com/showthread.php?t=7199)
The idea being that once a user has found a host, the chances it has some other stuff they like is pretty good.

At the same time, if something like this 'add on' was implemented, it might get the record companies off Limewire's back. Perhaps they'd like to sponsor a UHC and this feature's development? I wonder how Charles Baker might bring this up in the discussion with them?

[PlanTheFutureNow]

TiVo is the gender for parental control, is that the question for a opinion, the kids would really have a blast on the forum if you open up to OMN.org stuff they cater with.

[QUOTE]Guys,

I'd be interested in your feedback on this site. http://www.omn.org/ (http://www.omn.org/)

Something short of WebTV' the newer method' not Microsoft objective.